00:15:38 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] xiphon opened pull request #157: xiphon part-time coding
00:15:38 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/157
00:19:06 <kinghat[m]> https://www.goldeneaglecoin.com/item/1-oz-silver-bullion-cryptocurrency-monero-round-999-fine
00:28:44 <niocbrrrrrr> out of stock
00:28:56 <niocbrrrrrr> can't purchase with monero
17:27:59 <sethsimmons> Might have gotten aantonop to add Monero to his shop/site 🧐
17:28:24 <sethsimmons> Thanks to all who made the merchants page on monerooutreach
17:59:49 <niocbrrrrrr> sethsimmons: as for your comparison of a btc "private" tx vs a mooonero tx, the other comparison is how long on avg does a tx take
18:00:49 <sethsimmons> Ah yes, need to add that to my list of things to compare next for “private spends”
18:02:23 <sethsimmons> Here’s the to-do list:
18:02:23 * sethsimmons sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/JzUagsukdpglINcnMsZXCLVJ >
18:02:47 <sethsimmons> But I also would like to add Wasabi/JoinMarket to get a better picture of overall stats for Bitcoin mixing tools.
18:49:13 <sgp_> nice
18:49:29 <sgp_> I assume he uses BTCPay?
18:49:38 <sethsimmons> Seems like it from the responses
18:49:42 <sethsimmons> But I haven't verified myself
19:02:38 <charuto> woah nice one seth
19:03:10 <charuto> are you into dad jokes sethsimmons ?
19:03:20 <sethsimmons> I hate them with a fiery passion
19:03:32 <sethsimmons> :P
19:03:34 <charuto> ever considered changing your name to sxmrsimmons?
19:03:56 <sethsimmons> How is that a dad joke?
19:04:00 <sethsimmons> HOW
19:04:05 <sethsimmons> Maybe I don't want to know
19:04:22 <charuto> xmr > eth
19:04:24 <sethsimmons> Not a bad idea though so people don't think I'm an Eth shill 😅
19:04:31 <sethsimmons> <charuto "xmr > eth"> well played sir
19:04:44 <jwinterm> lol
19:07:11 <sethsimmons> I can't help but pronounce that "sexmrsimmons" in my head
19:07:17 <sethsimmons> Idk if I like Monroe THAT much
19:10:23 <charuto> sex mr simmons
19:10:31 <charuto> not as great as mr sex simmons
19:10:33 <sethsimmons> I can't unsee that
19:10:36 <charuto> but i like that
19:11:05 <sethsimmons> <charuto "not as great as mr sex simmons"> New Twitter nick incoming
19:11:32 <charuto> lmao
21:55:02 <dsc_> This will be a stupid question but that's okay because I don't understand crypto
21:55:21 <dsc_> GUI has Advanced -> Sign/Verify, where you can sign (text/file) messages
21:56:00 <dsc_> I wonder if it's possible to send *encrypted* messages to a specific Monero recipient/address
21:56:34 <dsc_> kind of like pgp I suppose
21:56:48 <sethsimmons> Couldn’t you encrypt a message in tx_extra?
21:56:59 <sethsimmons> Would probably require manual construction though
21:57:07 <sethsimmons> To use it like an encrypted memo field
21:57:07 <dsc_> sorry, forgot to mention that this would be over a seperate channel
21:57:15 <dsc_> so not using the blockchain
21:57:20 <sethsimmons> Oh, not on-chain?
21:57:24 <dsc_> nope
21:57:24 <sethsimmons> Huh
21:57:36 <sethsimmons> You’d have to know their node address
21:57:40 <sethsimmons> Then
21:57:59 <sethsimmons> And do it over p2p
21:57:59 <dsc_> Lets say you only have their Monero address
21:58:08 <sethsimmons> I think
21:58:12 <midipoet> could you do it direct node to node throught the GUI?
21:58:14 <dsc_> would it be possible somehow to send an encrypted message to a specific monero addr
21:58:20 <dsc_> using your priv8 key
21:58:37 <sethsimmons> Where do you send it if not on-chain and not direct?
21:58:46 <dsc_> the network protocol involved is irrelevant atm I think
21:58:54 <sethsimmons> You could generate it for sure
21:59:26 <midipoet> Sure, but the node IP is the destination address. Just has to be over a side channel (obvs privacy implications)
21:59:42 <dsc_> lets say you have a different channel, bitmessage or otherwise
21:59:55 <dsc_> and its integrated in your wallet
21:59:58 <midipoet> so just signing with your key, that's it
22:00:29 <dsc_> signing would not be enough when your chat goes through a centralized thing
22:00:48 <midipoet> And shuffling down some pipe somewhere, according to some p2p protocol
22:00:50 <dsc_> signing is basically "I wrote this"
22:02:03 <dsc_> but it will be cleartext
22:02:11 <dsc_> hence my encryption question
22:03:05 <jwinterm> I am pretty sure you could encrypt a message with your private viewkey or spendkey, but then anyone with the public key could decrypt it
22:03:09 <jwinterm> but I am no mathologist
22:04:33 <needmoney90> We call them mathographers actually jwinterm
22:05:04 <dsc_> ETA mathographer
22:31:43 <sarang> You could include a MAC of some kind
22:31:56 <sarang> for integrity
22:32:30 <sarang> but you're wondering specifically about encryption?
22:33:01 <sarang> You could use something like ECIES
22:58:43 <dsc_> sarang: oof, ok. thanks.
23:05:50 <sarang> Functionality could be added
23:08:38 <dsc_> sarang: The GUI has: https://i.imgur.com/zqF3Imk.png - my idea was to add an extra inputbox: "recipient address" which would be a Monero address and only him would be able to decrypt it
23:08:45 <dsc_> But I don't know how complicated that would be to add
23:09:16 <dsc_> the fact we can do signing is cool as it is, though
23:10:06 <dsc_> This would allow third-party wallets to host a centralized chat service without being able to mitm the chat messages
23:10:20 <dsc_> and for users: you'll be able to chat with owners of Monero addresses
23:12:37 <dsc_> (or people could also use bitmessage for a decentralized alternative)
23:13:13 <dsc_> which could be handy in retail - have a conversation with the person you're paying
23:46:37 <sarang> Just a paste-the-address kind of thing?
23:46:50 <sarang> That's doable