20:02:43 <wowario[m]> rdymac: can this be live-streamed to youtube?
20:09:03 <sgp_> wowario[m]: I'll try and get a recording. Looks like they are also getting their own recording
20:34:03 <sgp_> There's a shill that ruined it
20:34:41 <sgp_> I just got kicked from the meeting but I had a recording up to that point
20:35:03 <sgp_> Maybe this is why you shouldn't use a rando's Zoom account instead of YouTube
20:35:21 <sgp_> rehrar: please offer them to use the MCW channel and you or I can set up the stream
20:35:57 <rehrar> Yes
20:55:45 <fort3hlulz> ah damn thought that was in 5m, not an hour ago
20:55:59 <fort3hlulz> Hopefully they'll have a recording to share/will redo it due to the issues
20:56:27 <fort3hlulz> Got caught up in the latest Bitcoiner saying that Monero is better than Bitcoin for those needing privacy :)
20:57:32 <dEBRUYNE> Eventually they will all succumb!
21:08:21 <fort3hlulz> https://twitter.com/matt_odell/status/1280246059562745857?s=20
21:08:25 <fort3hlulz> Thats a view I have never heard before in my life
21:11:15 <jwinterm> fort3hlulz, I think it is just the logical conclusion if you are of the "there can be only one" mindset
21:11:26 <needmoney90> Yeah, I've heard that before
21:12:13 <fort3hlulz> huh that is totally new to me
21:12:22 <fort3hlulz> I figured HFs were an impossibility for hardcore Bitcoiners
21:12:35 <needmoney90> Well, a lot of people think bitcoin will fork to do privacy
21:12:40 <fort3hlulz> Really??
21:12:44 <needmoney90> yeah
21:13:01 <needmoney90> heard that a bunch of times too, "if monero's tech pans out bitcoin will just adopt it, so monero doesnt matter anyways"
21:13:08 <fort3hlulz> lmao
21:13:15 <fort3hlulz> That has been debunked IMO
21:13:20 <fort3hlulz> Bitcoin adopts nothing from outside itself
21:13:26 <fort3hlulz> And rarely adopts anything developed for it
21:13:28 <needmoney90> I've been playing this game since 2011 lol
21:13:28 <jwinterm> also hardfork to blacklist coins that haven't moved in ten years if quantum computing actually begins to threaten old coin stashes
21:13:31 <fort3hlulz> I love when people bring that up
21:13:33 <needmoney90> before privacy coins
21:13:43 <needmoney90> back when forking bitcoin wasn't so....controversial
21:13:53 <needmoney90> So the argument has morphed over time
21:14:01 <fort3hlulz> I am cryptocurrency baby compared to you needmoney90
21:14:01 <needmoney90> the people who are slightly less retarded and are still maximalist transition to "well, we can keep the ledger and fork in privacy"
21:14:14 <fort3hlulz> I only have Segwit2x on to look back on personally lol
21:14:28 <needmoney90> gosh, pre-2013 was a different era
21:15:08 <dsc_> My most entertaining encounter was with rehrar in Prague, a *masked* bitcoin fanatic was arguing that Bitcoin's strenght was it's transparency, yet refushed to take off his mask for a face reveal when Rehrar asked.
21:15:32 <needmoney90> well yeah if you wear a mask and stuff then you can transact with bitcoin anonymously
21:15:40 <dsc_> that's also true
21:16:20 <jwinterm> makes sense
21:16:28 <fort3hlulz> Well yeah, those who can afford to (and know how to) transact privately in Bitcoin have a massive advantage
21:16:50 <fort3hlulz> if Bitcoin succeeds long-term
21:17:55 <fort3hlulz> We'll just repeat the same mistakes as before and allow only the rich to have privacy for their money
21:22:16 <dEBRUYNE> fort3hlulz: Those maxis always pulling up the price chart rofl
21:22:25 <fort3hlulz> Yup :)
21:22:31 <dEBRUYNE> If you bought Monero in 2014-2016, you're basically still up in BTC
21:22:38 <fort3hlulz> Hit a technical/logical flaw in your argument, just throw the XMRBTC chart at someone!
21:22:39 <dEBRUYNE> At least if you bought before the AB pump
21:23:16 <dEBRUYNE> The XMR/BTC chart is essentially a reflection of the inverse BTC.D chart
21:23:26 <dEBRUYNE> Which has been in a bear market (bull for dominance) since early 2018
21:24:06 <dEBRUYNE> Bull markets don't last forever, nor do bearmarkets
21:24:27 <dEBRUYNE> Once the tide changes, that will also be reflected in the xmr chart (barring no substantial negative news)
21:25:25 <fort3hlulz> Not to mention its terribly disingenuous for someone touting a focus on privacy and human rights to use price as a reason to keep using and pushing a transparent ledger
21:26:01 <fort3hlulz> I couldn't care less about the price of Monero if it continues to be the clearly superior privacy tech that enables actual financial privacy in an age of surveillance capitalism.
21:26:16 <fort3hlulz> That doesn't mean I don't think adoption and a circular economy inevitably lead to price appreciation
21:27:43 <sgp_> here's a recording of the scammer if anyone is interested lol https://youtu.be/xM8JdpWqJM8
21:28:01 <jwinterm> tbf price is the most objective manifestation of the sentiments of market participants
21:28:25 <jwinterm> this is interesting plot https://bitinfocharts.com/comparison/transactions-btc-eth-xmr.html
21:28:35 <jwinterm> easier to read on log scale, more dramatic on linear
21:29:00 <jwinterm> eth and btc pushing up towards ath in daily txs, monero surpassed
21:29:31 <dsc_> sgp_: scammer?
21:29:51 <sgp_> yeah a scammer interrupted the first session
21:31:20 <dEBRUYNE> fort3hlulz: Yeah it is definitely disingenuous
21:31:25 <dEBRUYNE> Price has no place in these kind of discussions
21:31:33 <dEBRUYNE> Besides, of the alt pack, Monero's performance isn't that bad
21:32:28 <dEBRUYNE> jwinterm: BTC transaction count has effectively been stagnant since the 2017 bubble
21:32:59 <fort3hlulz> Its almost like Bitcoin is only used for speculation :thinking:
21:33:06 <jwinterm> it tracks pretty well with eth tx count
21:33:15 <jwinterm> just smaller magnitude
21:33:19 <jwinterm> due to hard cap on txs
21:42:08 <lza_menace> where in the video is it?
21:42:15 <lza_menace> tldw yet
21:52:43 <niocbrrrrrr> how can the btc tx count go up?
23:04:37 <rehrar> lza_menace: oh man it was a doozy
23:06:27 <lza_menace> so that person speaking was a total stranger?
23:06:32 <lza_menace> and was just giving some pitch?
23:06:36 <lza_menace> MasteringMind or w/e
23:06:45 <rehrar> he offered his premium zoom account for this meeting
23:07:00 <rehrar> Locha people had a few red flags on him, but ultimately accepted.
23:07:32 <rehrar> None of this stuff was discussed beforehand, and he started giving an intro (which was leading to a pitch of his intel platform), was interrupted when Locha caught what was going on and they started the tech demo.
23:07:46 <rehrar> One part of the tech demo was taking a while, and guy used it as a way to get back into his 'intro'.
23:08:02 <rehrar> Once again, none of this was agreed upon or expected beforehand.
23:08:23 <lza_menace> oh....so he was the host
23:08:27 <rehrar> yes
23:08:36 <lza_menace> got it
23:08:41 <lza_menace> lol, what a turd
23:13:29 <rehrar> following up
23:13:33 <rehrar> trying to see what happened
23:13:42 <rehrar> #justrehrarthings
23:37:34 <rehrar> how do you even talk to a maximalist? https://twitter.com/theonevortex/status/1273244800641187842
23:38:31 <rehrar> where do you even begin? How do you even try to speak with this person? https://twitter.com/theonevortex/status/1280108544306495488
23:38:45 <rehrar> how do you get the point where you're that way?
23:41:12 <jwinterm> I dunno
23:41:23 <jwinterm> but I don't like the highlighting in the sgp_ tweet
23:41:30 <jwinterm> all I see is REAL POTENTIAL
23:41:41 <jwinterm> which is like the exact opposite of the message that is intended
23:41:57 <rehrar> This guy is following one person. The Federal Reserve.
23:42:09 <rehrar> A cute copy of Snowden's thing of following just the NSA.
23:42:36 <rehrar> these guys are so weird bro
23:42:43 <rehrar> jwinterm: when will you read my book?
23:42:54 <rehrar> read to wife, kids, grandma, uncle, etc.
23:43:07 <jwinterm> is it scifi?
23:43:24 <rehrar> It's a fairy tale.
23:44:09 <jwinterm> link?
23:44:31 <rehrar> https://bellmakerseries.com/chapter-0
23:44:37 <rehrar> if you like, I'll give password for the rest
23:45:29 <jwinterm> kk
23:45:31 <jwinterm> .soon
23:45:31 <monerobux> Two weeks™
23:45:41 <needmoney90> I mean its true, there's no provable use of large quantities of Monero on the darknet 👀
23:46:05 <jwinterm> I finally downloaded tor and looked around a bit
23:46:15 <jwinterm> seemed like decent number of vendors accepted it
23:50:55 <hyc> this all feels so familiar to me ... when your software works as advertised, nobody talks about it because there's nothing to talk about
23:51:09 <hyc> have had this problem in OpenLDAP for ages...
23:52:04 <hyc> no, you can't brag about txn value in XMR, because ... that's the whole point
23:55:05 <dsc_> hyc: Sometimes you hear CEOs/CTOs say "our product was so popular it took our website down!", like it's something to boast about - perhaps to impress shareholders ... engineers hear "we had incompetent people hosting our services"
23:55:31 <hyc> lol yeah