02:06:09 <sgp_> xmrscott[m]: your tradition seems most similar to ours lol. Though we usually ran a 5k in the morning then got brunch
02:25:17 <rehrar> oof xmrscott[m] that's july 4th?
02:25:28 <rehrar> I mean I guess nobody cares cuz pandemic, but maybe we should push until Sunday?
02:27:33 <xmrscott[m]> Well I mean we bought a crazy amount of fireworks, but yes basically afternoon loafing w/ family + typical grill and other food + setting off fireworks, nothing super crazy
02:28:18 <xmrscott[m]> Why go to say, the boardwalk when it's going to be super crowded when you can basically go any weekend you want
02:31:26 <xmrscott[m]> I'm fine with Sunday, but then that's maybe getting into Europe/Asia's Sunday night, FWIW
06:29:19 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: The Genesis quote was even more interesting imo
06:29:40 <dEBRUYNE> 'Genesis does not conduct transactions with shielded addresses and does not conduct transactions with coins with any shielded address history, said Martin Garcia, the firm’s managing director.'
12:05:57 <gingeropolous> <dEBRUYNE> 'Genesis does not conduct transactions with shielded addresses and does not conduct transactions with coins with any shielded address history, said Martin Garcia, the firm’s managing director.' <<<<< oh man, that is interesting
12:06:40 <gingeropolous> aren't coinbase sheilded?
12:08:25 <gingeropolous> "The Sapling network upgrade 3 deployed architectural changes and performance improvements that make shielding funds directly in the coinbase transaction feasible"
12:08:36 <gingeropolous> https://zips.z.cash/zip-0213 . i wonder if thats still relevant / current
12:09:21 <gingeropolous> "The current Zcash protocol includes a consensus rule that coinbase rewards must be sent to a shielded address."
12:09:27 <gingeropolous> https://zcash.readthedocs.io/en/latest/rtd_pages/shield_coinbase.html
12:09:51 <gingeropolous> so ... all zcash is now tainted?
12:09:57 <gingeropolous> well, currently mined zcash
12:41:46 <sgp_> gingeropolous: mined Zcash is tainted in a way yes
12:42:01 <sgp_> But it doesn't mean coins are permanently tainted. That's a common misconception
12:42:52 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE_: Genesis is a compatitor of ours and we consider them weird sometimes
13:00:42 <ErCiccione[m]> Guys i am having a huge problem. Somebody just broke in the van and stole everything. New laptop included. Waiting for  the police now. Just wanted to let you know that i will be with only mobile phone only untile i buy new equipment.
13:00:54 <ErCiccione[m]> I hope it won't take more than a week
13:02:30 <scoobybejesus> That really sucks
13:03:03 <fluffypony> omg ErCiccione[m] that sucks
13:03:11 <fluffypony> is there anything we can do to help?
13:03:15 <fluffypony> is it insured?
13:04:21 <SerHack> ouch :/
13:05:18 <ErCiccione[m]> Yeah. It sucks a lot. My girlfriend is desperate but it's just things luckily. There is nothing you can do. But thank you all really from the bottom of my heart. Cops just arrived.
13:21:32 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: that truly sucks, sorry to hear that
13:21:39 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Maybe time to move your ccs to funding required
13:21:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Unless no laptop means you can't do what you planned
13:22:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> But I'll definitely donate to help out if things go that way
13:28:44 <ErCiccione[m]> Yeah i cannot do anything. They stole also my old laptop that i kept just in case... somebody stole the new one. I was going to go to another country tomorrow. There i should be able to buy a new one.
13:29:17 <ErCiccione[m]> Funny thing is i asked luigi to move my proposal to funding required right before i left the van. I think we can postpone that now.
13:29:37 <ErCiccione[m]> Waiting for the forensics to come get fingerprints now.
13:30:32 <ErCiccione[m]> The shittiest csi episode ever
15:31:41 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: The usage of hypothetical by the Zcash team is quite funny
15:31:57 <dEBRUYNE> Multiple providers just stated that usage of z addresses will essentially raise the risk score
15:36:52 <sgp_> I cannot stress enough that the risks are the same risk levels reported as mixers
15:42:28 <sarang> So a good analogy is to map the risk of non-mixed Bitcoin to transparent Zcash, and mixed Bitcoin to shielded Zcash?
16:15:25 <sgp_> sarang: it's easier to say ZEC is exactly like BTC but with what is to all intents and purposes a shiny optional mixer
16:16:09 <sarang> Elliptic did make a blog post noting that it may be possible to consider Zcash lower risk overall than Bitcoin
16:16:42 <sarang> So I wonder how the relative risks will be assessed between these assets and transparency "modes"
16:24:10 <sgp_> in practice it's basically the same though, but random ZEC is less likely to be tied up with activities than random BTC
16:24:51 <kinghat[m]> really shitty ErCiccione, sorry man 🙏
16:26:09 <luigi1111w> oh. I merged that request. Should I cancel it?
16:26:11 <sarang> sgp_: Elliptic said they had similar conclusions about the use of Zcash as RAND did
16:26:11 <luigi1111w> ErCiccione[m]
16:26:58 <sarang> ErCiccione[m]: I'm really sorry to hear that too :(
16:29:00 <sgp_> sarang: true, that doesn't really change the actual process though
16:29:11 <sgp_> maybe it would change the process slightly for Monero
16:29:49 <sgp_> people shouldn't think of Monero as a pile of crime. People need to think crime is rare
16:29:56 <sgp_> (which we know it is)
16:30:11 <sgp_> it's just easy to use Monero as the foil
16:32:32 <ErCiccione[m]> luigi1111w:  would be better, yeah. I would be unable to do anything for at least one week, maybe more.
16:33:25 <jwinterm> ErCiccione[m], sucks to hear about the theft
16:33:40 <ErCiccione[m]> Thank you all guys for your messages. You are all amazing.
16:34:15 <jwinterm> just FYI for everyone in channel, I read that the way thieves in san jose area work to identify what cars have laptops in the trunk or under seats is by walking around the parking lot with a bluetooth or wifi scanner
16:34:38 <jwinterm> so if you leave your laptop not powered off then they can identify which trunk to pop open
16:34:43 <sarang> jwinterm: are those radios even active when the device is asleep?
16:34:49 <sarang> I assumed not
16:35:32 <jwinterm> I just remembered reading it seeing this convo https://www.wired.com/story/bluetooth-scanner-car-thefts/
16:35:42 <selsta> there is this "power nap" stuff on mac which keeps you connected during sleep
16:35:47 <jwinterm> Many laptops and gadgets will put out a sort of beacon by default when their Bluetooth is turned on, so that other Bluetooth devices can find them and potentially pair—even when closed or idle.
16:35:51 <selsta> I guess other laptops have something similar
17:01:30 <luigi1111w> if it's just a week or two, that's not a big deal. Just move the dates to whatever works.
17:04:43 <niocbrrrrrr> but won't it take a week or 2 to get funded
17:05:29 <niocbrrrrrr> oh, the time that the work will be done
17:23:52 <ErCiccione[m]> Luigi111w: ok. I'm guessing, i'm not sure, but i will let you know.
18:25:01 <ErCiccione[m]> So. Last update. We just got out from the police station. The guy didn't speak english so wasn't a lot of fun. We will wait in case we are going to be lucky, but we are not too hopeful. Thanks everybdy for the nice messages, i hope to come back operative soon. In the meantime i'll keep an eye on the chats. Lesson learned: make the insurance for what's inside the car, not just the car :) have a good day
18:25:01 <ErCiccione[m]> everyone
19:35:46 <dEBRUYNE> Sucks ErCiccione[m], hopefully you will be back on your feet soon!