02:42:19 <sarang> Hooray, funding request is now open! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q3.html
07:30:27 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] rehrar opened pull request #152: Defcon equipment storage for one year
07:30:27 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/152
10:42:06 <msvb-lab> xmrscott xmrscott[m]: Can you join #monero-defcon please, so we don't go too off topic here.
10:42:47 <msvb-lab> We have a network messaging backend now, to support the mobile app(s) if you still want to create them.
10:43:12 <msvb-lab> Let me know if you need ideas or access or have concerns or whatever.
12:33:53 <fort3hlulz> Hey sgp_, if you wanna grant me access to the Twitter account I'll shoot out a tweet about Sarang's proposal needing funding
13:17:17 <sgp_> added
13:26:31 <fort3hlulz> Thanks! And thanks for shooting those tweets out.
13:26:41 <fort3hlulz> Good to see it already has over 20 contributions 0.0
16:39:27 <dEBRUYNE> Coudl one of you two also post it on Reddit?
16:39:32 <dEBRUYNE> I can do it if you are both not able :p
16:49:03 <ErCiccione[m]> sgp_ did you add me? i don't know if i should get a notification
16:50:17 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: I did, check tweetdeck.twitter.com
16:50:42 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE: sure
16:52:12 <ErCiccione[m]> Ok cool :)
16:52:40 <fort3hlulz> Forgot about Reddit :P
16:53:10 <rehrar> everyone should forget about Reddit
16:53:29 <fort3hlulz> twitter is love, twitter is life
16:53:52 <rehrar> Twitter is also the worst
16:54:07 <rehrar> But I'm a contrarian just trying to ruffle up some feathers.
16:56:50 <dEBRUYNE> Thanks
16:57:08 <fort3hlulz> rehrar come over to the dark side and start tweeting more
16:57:13 <fort3hlulz> I need some more Monero support out here
16:57:27 <fort3hlulz> Its like me, sgp_ , and binaryFate against the world
16:57:33 <fort3hlulz> (and a few others I'm probably forgetting)
16:57:55 <niocbrrrrrr> rehrar: is that why you have chickens?
16:58:44 <binaryFate> I can only do it in bursts. Too draining otherwise.
16:59:17 <rehrar> Social media like alcohol. Too much of it at once is destructive.
16:59:23 <rehrar> Some people have higher and lower tolerances too.
16:59:48 <sgp_> My social media posts are basically just rants now
16:59:56 <rehrar> I have a very low social media tolerance. A few minutes worth and I feel gross. Too much noise, not enough signal.
17:00:18 <rehrar> Here's an opinion that may be unpopular, but social media let's everyone have a voice, but most people aren't worth listening to.
17:00:38 <rehrar> That was a bad sentence ^
17:03:08 <sgp_> We still need more people on the medias spreading the word
17:03:49 <fort3hlulz> Theres lots of good stuff on there with lots of tuning
17:03:58 <fort3hlulz> But definitely can be overwhelming/awful at time
17:04:00 <fort3hlulz> *times
17:04:11 <dEBRUYNE> I feel social media presence has remarkably improved though, especially in comparison to 1-2 years ago
17:04:58 <sgp_> Maybe but it's always the same accounts
17:05:28 <dEBRUYNE> Not sure that is a problem as long as engagement gradually increases
17:06:14 <sgp_> I like not being the only one complianing all the time haha
17:07:04 <binaryFate> Bitcoin twitter keeps going down in quality. More and more narrow-minded. More and more rejection of opinions / people / companies that are not "pure" enough. Toxicity is not serving well, the only people joining the echo chamber are clueless and only financially motivated.
17:08:04 <rehrar> dude, don't get started on bitcoin twitter.
17:08:20 <rehrar> it has literally become a cult. It's super creepy.
17:08:36 <rehrar> Say the wrong thing and the cult disavows you. There is no room for dissent.
17:17:21 <Inge-> fort3hlulz: I've seen XMR more active on twitter of late!
17:20:14 <fort3hlulz> Yeah, its getting better and better!
17:20:31 <fort3hlulz> Thankful for it, and I've had more and more users reaching out to me via DMs for more info/questions about XMR as well
17:20:59 <fort3hlulz> Hopefully more and more will jump in with real engagement, want to see more of us push past "Just use Monero" and give some real, nuanced answers
17:21:00 <Inge-> Seth is rocking it :=
17:21:11 <fort3hlulz> Lots of opportunity on Twitter etc.
17:21:23 <fort3hlulz> <Inge-> Seth is rocking it := <- Thats me XD
17:21:32 <Inge-> oh cool!
17:21:38 <fort3hlulz> so ty haha
17:21:39 <Inge-> TIL when I was today years old
17:22:51 <fort3hlulz> lol
17:23:07 <fort3hlulz> Twitter is a good space to be, I think, as good as social media really can be these days
17:23:55 <Inge-> a well-curated twitter feed is an amazing source of information
17:24:07 <Inge-> possibly less so once you interact so you get swamped by trolls and bots :D
17:24:56 <fort3hlulz> Ive avoided trolls and bots so far thankfully
17:25:06 <fort3hlulz> But have had to block a few btc maxis
17:25:11 <fort3hlulz> and a Zcash maxi lol
17:25:46 <fort3hlulz> Didn't even realize they had those
17:27:55 <Inge-> midipoet: did you look at the microsoft identity initiative? it seems to actually be a self-sovereign identity system based on open source and using BTC for security
17:28:28 <midipoet> Inge-: the ION one? Yes.
17:28:42 <midipoet> I worry about the setups a lot.
17:29:11 <midipoet> But not that many people seem to care
17:29:51 <Inge-> I have yet to delve into it in detail. Just got reminded by Peters podcast.
17:29:55 <midipoet> But the discussions are happening...just difficult as its GDPR vs AMLD5/6 vs eIDAS
17:30:21 <midipoet> All while all the various factions of digital identity can't agree on the best way forward.
17:30:56 <midipoet> And while SERIOUS money is behind some solutions (obviously as there are other intentions)
17:31:49 <Inge-> I guess building anything on top of Monero that utilizes information in txextra comes with some potentially pretty awful privacy tradeoffs
17:32:30 <midipoet> Peter is probably "proof BTC is king" though I imagine tying identity to a transparent public chain is one of the worst things you could do (unless it's some private side chain of sorts). Even then the consortia have access to the transactions on the side chain, so yay.
17:32:30 <sarang> ^
17:32:44 <midipoet> I think it could be done on Tari
17:33:07 <midipoet> Or as a merge mined chain based on Monero variant
17:33:27 <midipoet> at least, that's how I would do it.
17:34:29 <midipoet> I mentioned it to fluffypony and tari, but haven't followed it up. I should.
19:40:12 <xmrscott[m]> fort3hlulz:  Zcash maxi's are those who are founders and want pay outs for being early investors, probably
19:42:06 <xmrscott[m]> It's the only reason why one would be a maxi me thinks. I'm spacing on her name, but there are people like the Zcash cryptographer we had dinner w/ at DEF CON and Justin who are part of the Zcash community, but have no issue admitting the flaws, etc
19:43:49 <xmrscott[m]> msvb-lab:  Done, now that whatever booting and access issues for -defcon seem to have been fixed for us Matrix plebs