06:04:29 <fluffypony> what if it was multisig, and there was a little daemon that signed the tx, but then you had to countersign with a proper wallet
06:04:34 <fluffypony> and that wallet could be on mobile, for eg.
06:04:38 <fluffypony> then it's almost like 2FA for the tx
06:04:52 <fluffypony> and if that main daemon gets hacked it can't do anything by itself
12:48:48 <Inge-> Something like that might make sense for larger amounts - but I do wonder about the workflow (haven't looked in detail on multi-sig but seemed to be a little complicated in practice?)
15:38:11 <fort3hlulz_> Whats the best place to refer someone who wants to integrate Monero into an online store?
15:38:28 <fort3hlulz_> I have no experience with that, so not sure where to point them but a user reached out via Twitter asking for recommendations.
15:38:40 <fluffypony> fort3hlulz: do you know what tech stack it is?
15:38:47 <fort3hlulz> Not yet, no
15:38:54 <fort3hlulz> I pointed him to Globee already
15:39:12 <fort3hlulz> But wasn't sure if we had more general resources to direct him to
15:39:15 <fluffypony> yeah GloBee is a good starting point for custodial / non-native
15:39:21 <fluffypony> CoinPayments.net is another option
15:39:37 <fort3hlulz> Sweet, I'll link him to that
15:43:04 <fort3hlulz> Thanks fluffypony :)
15:43:10 <fluffypony> np
16:46:09 <Isthmus> Hey y’all how’s it going? Is it alright to post CCS stuff here?
16:46:11 * Isthmus looks around and doesn’t see a “no soliciting” sign
16:46:16 <Isthmus> A few weeks ago I started fundraising for a research initiative around understanding Monero’s long-term privacy in the context of hypothetical quantum adversaries.
16:46:22 <Isthmus> We’re sooooooo close, less than 9 XMR away from the CCS goal. Any chance that you might be able to pitch in a few piconero to bring us closer to the finish line? We’re super excited to wrap up funding and dive into the research full-time.
16:46:27 <Isthmus> If you know anybody that might be interested in donating, could you please send them a link to the CCS? I’ll be eternally grateful for the support. https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/research-post-quantum-monero.html
17:10:17 <fluffypony> Isthmus: sending some your way
17:10:41 <fluffypony> well, CCS way
17:12:51 <Isthmus> @fluffypony thank you so much! 🙏
17:12:55 <selsta> looks funded
17:12:56 <Isthmus> Really appreciate it :- )
17:13:11 * Isthmus does a little happy dance
17:13:37 <fluffypony> go forth and research!
17:31:29 <luigi1111w> moved to wip
17:32:37 <selsta> luigi1111w: did it move properly?
17:32:56 <selsta> https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/research-post-quantum-monero.html
17:34:01 <luigi1111w> looks iffy
17:34:07 <selsta> looks good now
17:34:20 <luigi1111w> yarp
17:35:07 <luigi1111w> sorry guys, there's nothing left to donate to
17:35:13 <luigi1111w> you can donate to me if you want
17:38:47 <niocbrrrrrr> !tip luigi1111w 5
17:39:04 <niocbrrrrrr> .seen tippero
17:39:05 <monerobux> niocbrrrrrr: I last saw tippero at 2019-12-02 - 00:41:11 in another channel.
17:39:13 <selsta> fluffy pls fix
17:46:40 <dsc_> herstel asjeblieft meneer
17:47:01 <asymptotically> he had to be put down because of a bug iirc
17:47:27 <dsc_> Oh yeah, the freenode login limbo impersonate thing
17:47:43 <dsc_> lmao
17:52:14 <niocbrrrrrr> didn't wow fix that bug?
17:52:37 <jwinterm> mooo fixed the bug I'm pretty sure and I just stole it
17:53:03 <niocbrrrrrr> ok wow implemented the fix
17:53:04 <dsc_> ah ok
17:53:15 <niocbrrrrrr> words.....how do they work?
17:53:28 <selsta> afaik it was something else
17:53:40 <selsta> separate payment ids?
17:55:50 <niocbrrrrrr> I would like my monerrrrrro
17:56:20 <jwinterm> tippero still uses old separate payment ids, but someone else helped update wowbux to use integrated payment ids now
17:58:44 <selsta> maybe someone can also PR to tippero
17:58:53 <niocbrrrrrr> if fixed I will send my balance to the general donation address just because it has changed and is now cool
17:58:55 <niocbrrrrrr> 888tNkZrPN6JsEgekjMnABU4TBzc2Dt29EPAvkRxbANsAnjyPbb3iQ1YBRk1UXcdRsiKc9dhwMVgN5S9cQUiyoogDavup3H
18:01:32 <luigi1111w> My name is Davup QUiyoog
18:02:04 <selsta> Anjy
18:02:38 <luigi1111w> I think the key is bAN sAnjy
18:59:19 <cassact[m]1> anyone know of a good (ideally smallish) monero community/forume to invite folks to an open beta?
18:59:55 <cassact[m]1>  * anyone know of a good (ideally smallish) monero community/forum to invite folks to an open beta?
19:03:25 <jwinterm> cassact[m]1, probably depends on what exactly you are looking to beta test
20:47:30 <sgp_> asymptotically: did you do anything to easily format the community meeting logs? Excellent work on that btw :D
20:50:21 <asymptotically> yeah i'll have to upload the script somewhere :) it was a lot of trial and error, i never want to look at markdown or an irc log line ever again lol
20:53:40 <sgp_> lmao
20:54:07 <sgp_> I started writing a script a few months ago but it wasn't very functional
20:55:48 <asymptotically> it started off as just `sed -E 's/^<([^ ]+)>/**<\1>**/'` but then people thought it would be funny to include insane characters like *, <, and _ in their messages
20:56:14 <sgp_> those terrible community members and their commas on messages :p
20:56:19 <sgp_> *in
20:56:42 <sgp_> oh wait never mind, I read that wrong
20:58:00 <asymptotically> i think that monerobux (or at least sopel) has a built in thing for logging meeting minutes
20:58:02 <asymptotically> .meeting
20:58:45 <asymptotically> .startmeeting Electing New Monero Dictator
20:58:45 <monerobux> Meeting started! use .action, .agreed, .info, .chairs, .subject and .comments to control the meeting. to end the meeting, type .endmeeting
20:58:48 <monerobux> Users without speaking permission can use .comment #monero-community followed by their comment in a PM with me to vocalize themselves.
20:59:05 <asymptotically> .endmeeting sorry for the spam, will test in another channel :P
20:59:05 <monerobux> Meeting ended! total meeting length 19 seconds
20:59:07 <monerobux> Meeting minutes: http://myrcraft.com/meetings/%23monero-community/2020-06-08-20%3A58_Electing-New-Monero-Dictator.html
21:02:46 <asymptotically> we could probably make monerobux automagically PR them to #monero-site
21:04:57 <jwinterm> yea I don't own that domain anymore
21:05:12 <jwinterm> but I can change it to whatever and it will autopost them
21:59:21 <cassact[m]1> good from a security pov, but it may be more friction then what users want. For artists looking to be paid and users who want to "fire and forget" regular payments having to perform an action for each payment (no matter how simple) is not ideal.
22:04:03 <cassact[m]1> bigger concern for me is how much xmr should be paid for each subscription payment, because the value fluctuates. If I am an artist I want a way to make sure that my patrons are not accidentally sending me crypto x2 the value of when they signed up.
22:04:57 <cassact[m]1>  * bigger concern for me is how much xmr should be paid for each subscription payment, because the value fluctuates. If I am an artist I want a way to make sure that my patrons are not accidentally sending me crypto x2 the value of when they signed up, thats a good way to alienate an audience
22:22:10 <cassact[m]1> <jwinterm "cassact, probably depends on wha"> its a VPS service that accept monero payments. we made our own pos web app in python flask so we could accept payments from stripe and btcpay server
22:23:14 <jwinterm> oic
22:23:22 <cassact[m]1> <fort3hlulz_ "I have no experience with that, "> monero integrations is great if they already have a service that integrates, btcpay server is only self hosted option I have found that works with whatever.
22:25:18 <cassact[m]1> https://monerointegrations.com/
22:26:14 <niocbrrrrrr> fort3hlulz: ^^^
22:28:20 <jwinterm> cassact[m]1, this is probably a good place, maybe reddit if you're looking for broader exposure
22:29:03 <cassact[m]1> not sure if we want broader exposure yet tbh. still beta.
22:30:00 <cassact[m]1> https://capsul.org is us
22:30:48 <jwinterm> just out of curiousity cassact[m]1 do you actually run your own hardware?
22:31:05 <jwinterm> I have used govps, formerly rootbox, because you can pay with monero
22:31:11 <cassact[m]1> yup!
22:31:19 <jwinterm> but at some point I realized they were just reselling ovh basically
22:31:42 <jwinterm> cool, I will try to remember to give you guys a try next time I need a new vps
22:32:46 <cassact[m]1> yeah there are couple of vps providers out there that do the same thing essentially. our thing is we provide cloud services to local orgs for free (jitsi, nextcloud, webhosting etc)
22:33:04 <cassact[m]1> and capsul is how we pay for hosting costs
22:34:09 <jwinterm> where's price list?
22:34:13 <jwinterm> gotta log in?
22:34:29 <cassact[m]1> yeah, which is not how it should be
22:37:41 <cassact[m]1> we are gonna add it somwhere to main site. either as dedicated page or part of faq
22:37:42 * cassact[m]1 sent a long message:  < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/vHZsWIIQTPUSNGWYUKskUrhp >
22:39:36 <jwinterm> cool, pretty competitive prices too
22:40:58 <cassact[m]1> you can request extra space and ip4 addresses too
22:43:17 <jwinterm> what's the overcharge on network data?
22:44:04 <cassact[m]1> no overcharge atm.
22:44:53 <cassact[m]1>     * net is calculated as a per-month average
22:46:52 <cassact[m]1> our main sysadmin says: undefined - right now the assumption is that if they're over their network limit they'll just have no network. (but we don't do any limiting like that yet since we have ample headroom)