00:00:56 <xmrscott[m]> freenode_cassact[m]: Most likely registration, I think
00:02:24 <xmrscott[m]> As in you need to register handle via the IRC services you bridge to AKA /msg NickServ
00:05:13 <xmrscott[m]> zkao[m]: Suggest subscribing to both https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/191 and maybe starring: https://github.com/TheCharlatan/monero-gui/tree/dependsQtSub
00:15:55 <cassact[m]1> i need to register my personal handle or I need to register the bridge?
00:16:10 <xmrscott[m]> Your handle
00:17:04 <xmrscott[m]> Under 'Direct Messages' (at least for Riot client) check to see if you have anything of note from ChanServ or NickServ
00:18:03 <cassact[m]1> Sure. "PLEASE NOTE: there is a persistent scammer who impersonates well-known IRC users by slightly modifying their nickname"
00:19:06 <cassact[m]1> is what it says
00:20:03 <xmrscott[m]> Do you have anything from NickServ?
00:22:51 <xmrscott[m]> Actually an easy way to see if you need to have a registered name, just download HexChat and try talking on #monero
00:25:43 <cassact[m]1> dont see anything from nickserv, but I think I figured out the issue.
00:28:21 <xmrscott[m]> Coolio
08:25:23 <kayront> sgp_: I guess it'll only ever become obvious to the masses when mixed BTC begin regularly being halted at points of exchanges and intrusive questions asked .. already heard of several services doing this, and of course they would, what is the point of doing chain surveillance otherwise
08:29:21 <kayront> i really can't wrap my mind around why so many people go through all the extra steps, then spend money in tx fees for all the mixing, then gotta be super careful about mixing things back together again by mistake, when Monero just.. works
09:18:08 <ErCiccione> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gxnqmf/lets_improve_the_monero_faq_page_on_getmonero/?
09:18:09 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Let's improve the Monero FAQ page on GetMonero. What questions/answers should we add? (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-06-06 - 09:17:52
11:47:12 <gingeropolous> i wonder if there's a way to redirect technical temporally limited questions to the github from stackexchange
11:47:41 <gingeropolous> i.e., there have been (and there probably will be) a lot of questions that are valid for some give period of monero software but not another
11:47:58 <gingeropolous> and those q&a's in the SE will ultimately muddy the information base
11:48:16 <gingeropolous> unless everyone has the intuition to only look for things within the past 6 months etc
11:50:31 <gingeropolous> i dunno. maybe its appropriate. or maybe tags should be used to indicate monero version
12:03:58 <asymptotically> gingeropolous: have you seen github's upcoming discussions feature?
12:04:33 <ErCiccione> Yeah gingeropolous that's why i don't like too much linking to SE, better have a good FAQ On the website that we can keep updated
12:04:55 <ErCiccione> I'm not really familiar with SE tho, so maybe there is a way to filter
12:06:29 <gingeropolous> its moderated, so its up to mods and participants
14:08:48 <dEBRUYNE> Answers can be edited though on the SE to reflect the current situation
14:08:57 <dEBRUYNE> And posts can be deleted if needed
14:23:53 <sgp_> I agree it's better to have a separate resource outside of SE
14:24:03 <sgp_> But SE is super useful for a catch-all
14:24:21 <sgp_> Website is much more likely to be referenced by news, media, etc
16:29:56 <sgp_> Meeting in 30
17:00:40 <sgp_> 0. Introduction
17:00:45 <sgp_> We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting!
17:00:51 <sgp_> Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/471
17:00:57 <sgp_> Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support.
17:01:02 <sgp_> 1. Greetings
17:01:22 <ErCiccione> Hi folks
17:02:01 <msvb-mob> Hello.
17:02:04 <kinghat[m]> o/
17:02:06 <binaryFate> hello!
17:02:09 <sgp_> ping needbrrrrrrr90 sarang
17:02:30 <sarang> Hi
17:02:42 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> Hi!
17:02:57 <sgp_> hello everyone :)
17:03:04 <sgp_> 2. Community highlights
17:03:11 <sgp_> See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com
17:03:24 <sgp_> Check out resources at https://communityworkgroup.org. It also has a calendar you can subscribe to for meeting reminders.
17:03:29 <sgp_> We now have a Twitter! https://twitter.com/xmrcommunity
17:03:35 <sgp_> If we have time during open ideas time, please comment on what you want to use it for.
17:03:53 <sgp_> Diego spoke about Monero at the Messari’s Mainnet 2020 conference. Hopefully they eventually distribute a recording.
17:03:59 <sgp_> Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share?
17:05:22 <sgp_> 3. CCS updates
17:05:28 <sgp_> Funding required:
17:05:33 <sgp_> Norwegian translation of webplate, footers, nav. Menu (1.16 / 6 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Norwegian_translation_core.html
17:05:39 <sgp_> Research post-quantum strategies for Monero (550.06 / 576 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/research-post-quantum-monero.html
17:05:45 <sgp_> Ideas (to be discussed):
17:05:52 <sgp_> Swedish cli wallet (3 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/147
17:06:31 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE and ErCiccione[m] commented on Reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gtjd6g/ccs_proposal_lets_add_support_for_swedish_in_to/
17:06:31 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [CCS Proposal] Lets add support for swedish in to monero cli wallet (self.Monero) | 21 points (82.0%) | 5 comments | Posted by writesofrust | Created at 2020-05-30 - 18:43:13
17:08:14 <sgp_> no comments on this one?
17:08:30 <binaryFate> I don't see much value either, but don't see a reason not to pass it on to funding required
17:08:40 <binaryFate> donors can decide
17:09:02 <binaryFate> 3 XMR is very small, maybe it is a good test run of the CCS system by that person if nothing else
17:09:20 <sgp_> is the gui and website already translated?
17:10:02 <ErCiccione> Not a big fan of that proposal. We don't even know about past experiences as translator and the proposal itself seems quite lazily written
17:10:15 <ErCiccione> let me check that
17:10:28 <sgp_> if they have no past contributions, I think that's a reason to not advance
17:11:29 <ErCiccione> We don't have the website in swedish. We have the GUI, which is almost fully translated
17:11:47 <ErCiccione> i'm fine with people not having past experience with monero if they show some credentials
17:11:57 <sgp_> did they show any?
17:12:39 <ErCiccione> To my knowledge, no.
17:12:47 <ErCiccione> but we didn't ask either
17:13:04 <sgp_> I guess the proposal is on hold then until that is resolved
17:13:09 <sgp_> final comments on this one?
17:14:08 <sgp_> second one:
17:14:09 <sgp_> Sarang: research funding for 2020 Q3 (492 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/148
17:14:40 <sarang> I'll revisit the amount prior to opening (if this is decided)
17:15:31 <sgp_> I highly doubt anyone will comment against this one
17:15:38 <binaryFate> go go go!!!
17:16:01 <sgp_> indeed
17:16:17 <sarang> Happy to take questions here or as CCS comments
17:16:35 <ErCiccione> I already left a thumb up on the MR
17:16:53 <sgp_> 7 thumbs up now
17:17:20 <sgp_> I think we can proceed since this obviously has universal support
17:17:34 <sarang> I'll check on the amount first
17:17:39 <sgp_> of course
17:17:47 <sarang> So please don't merge just yet
17:17:58 <binaryFate> sarang did you discuss with luigi1111 about the proposed "stable USD amount" buffer?
17:18:15 <sarang> It was briefly mentioned, but not really in any more detail
17:18:55 <binaryFate> Let's discuss and finalize decision before you adapt amount
17:19:01 <sarang> ok
17:19:07 <binaryFate> (decision might be not to use it, no pressure!)
17:21:07 <sgp_> CLSAG Audit with Teserakt and OSTIF (179 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/150
17:21:58 <sgp_> Teserakt has already done half of the audit on their own decision
17:21:58 <monerobux> Test failed
17:22:14 <binaryFate> lol
17:23:30 <sgp_> no comments?
17:23:33 <niocbrrrrrr> !donate [undisclosed_amount]
17:24:25 <niocbrrrrrr> please and thank you
17:24:32 <sgp_> haha nice
17:24:39 <sgp_> Any other CCS comments before we move on?
17:25:31 <sgp_> 4. Workgroup report
17:25:35 <sgp_> is selsta here?
17:25:46 <selsta> yes
17:25:49 <sgp_> sweet
17:25:54 <sgp_> a. Daemon/CLI/GUI workgroup
17:25:58 <sgp_> go ahead :)
17:26:06 <selsta> Will have to think :P
17:26:26 <selsta> v0.16 was a smooth release and with no major problems.
17:26:37 <selsta> I think we can soon prepare v0.17 with CLSAG
17:27:07 <sgp_> selsta: do you have an ideal release date for 0.17? since it will require a hardfork
17:27:20 <ErCiccione> Good job btw. People are super happy with the new GUI and CLI
17:27:23 <selsta> Not yet.
17:27:37 <selsta> I want to release at least 1 month before the hardfork time.
17:27:39 <kinghat[m]> ya the gui is sexy af
17:27:39 <sgp_> do you want it to happen before this fall?
17:28:28 <selsta> I would guess hardfork 2 months after the audit is done but that might be too optimistic.
17:29:18 <sarang> There will need to be Trezor/Ledger support in place from those teams
17:29:30 <sarang> and they'll probably want a testnet to try it out on
17:29:48 <selsta> We have to give exchanges and other wallets enough time to update.
17:30:47 <dEBRUYNE> Bear in mind that CLSAG also requires changes from wallet providers
17:30:53 <dEBRUYNE> Thus, we have to allow for more time arguably
17:30:57 <selsta> yep
17:32:04 <selsta> We are also thinking about signing the windows and macOS release but that might be a better topic for the dev meeting
17:32:27 <selsta> code certificate signing*
17:33:11 <ErCiccione> yeah. The problem with the antiviruses needs to be at list mitigated somehow. Really bad UX
17:33:35 <selsta> might no not possible to mitigate, but we will see
17:33:48 <kinghat[m]> did one of those hw wallets monero integration get promoted to "full" or "proper" vs just being a side thing?
17:34:11 <selsta> you mean ledger?
17:34:42 <kinghat[m]> im not sure 🤔
17:34:46 <sarang> Ledger
17:34:59 <sarang> I'm in contact with the person now in charge of that
17:35:20 <selsta> I did not read from the announcement that they will work on Ledger Live.
17:35:50 <sarang> I do not know any details on that
17:36:02 <selsta> anyway I’m done with the workgroup update
17:36:14 <sgp_> thanks selsta!
17:36:29 <selsta> oh and one more thing
17:36:50 <selsta> google might add monero to their open source fuzzer: https://github.com/google/oss-fuzz/pull/3941
17:37:21 <sarang> IIRC moneromooo has been updating the fuzz tests in the codebase
17:38:53 <sgp_> sweet
17:38:56 <selsta> this will help at find bugs in the monero codebase
17:39:01 <selsta> finding*
17:39:37 <selsta> ok done now
17:39:46 <sgp_> thanks!
17:39:55 <sgp_> b. Localization workgroup
17:40:05 <sgp_> ErCiccione any update?
17:40:47 <ErCiccione> Not much. About 50 people contributed to translate the GUI release
17:41:09 <kinghat[m]> this is what i read: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gwkmcn/ledger_monero_app_new_lead_dev/
17:41:09 <kinghat[m]> > Why? Until now Monero was still maintained as R&D project by myself. It is now moving in the coin integration team and will reach a new state level. That's as a good news.
17:41:10 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Ledger Monero App: New lead dev! (self.Monero) | 149 points (100.0%) | 38 comments | Posted by cslashm | Created at 2020-06-04 - 16:21:05
17:41:16 <ErCiccione> It's a good number, the highest amount of translators for a release was 60 IIRC, but don't quote me on that
17:41:33 <sarang> kinghat[m]: I've been recently put in touch with the dev who's now in charge of that
17:42:06 <sarang> I've reached out to get information on their required/desired timeline for a network upgrade
17:42:11 <sarang> waiting to hear back
17:42:20 <ErCiccione> also, Weblate is starting to catch up. People are using it every day and we have about 150 people on the platform
17:43:15 <ErCiccione> the activity: https://translate.getmonero.org/#activity
17:43:28 <ErCiccione> beside that, not much to report
17:43:33 <kinghat[m]> sorry for the interruption ErCiccione.
17:43:48 <ErCiccione> no problem :)
17:43:53 <sgp_> glad to hear so many people helped with 0.16
17:43:56 <sgp_> c. Outreach workgroup
17:44:03 <sgp_> Monero Outreach recently shared their “We Accept Monero” campaign: https://www.monerooutreach.org/we-accept-monero.html
17:44:38 <sgp_> d. Website workgroup
17:44:46 <sgp_> lots of cool changes here :)
17:45:05 <ErCiccione> Yeah there is a lot of stuff in progress
17:45:45 <ErCiccione> I posted this on reddit today: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/gxnqmf/lets_improve_the_monero_faq_page_on_getmonero/
17:45:46 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Let's improve the Monero FAQ page on GetMonero. What questions/answers should we add? (self.Monero) | 35 points (95.0%) | 7 comments | Posted by ErCiccione | Created at 2020-06-06 - 09:17:52
17:46:22 <ErCiccione> I think we should improve the FAQ adding as many qestions as possible
17:46:36 <ErCiccione> if anybody has ideas, please post them on reddit or open an issue
17:46:48 <sgp_> SE is definitely a good place to start
17:46:56 <ErCiccione> or write here if you want but there is a higher chance of me forgetting it :P
17:47:25 <ErCiccione> sgp_ i used it when i remade the faq, but now i wanted to add questions that people are asking now
17:47:31 <selsta> I don’t think trying to replace SE with the website FAQ makes sense. (Not sure if that’s the intention)
17:48:14 <ErCiccione> I don't intend to replace SE at all. I just think that the website should be more a point of reference. Because people are more likely to look for answers there
17:48:17 <sgp_> not replacing SE
17:49:09 <selsta> A lot of people google their question and get redirected to SE / Reddit. I doubt that many people will read to a huge FAQ but maybe that’s just my opinion.
17:49:24 <selsta> through*
17:49:26 <sgp_> this is mostly for media/journalists imo
17:49:35 <midipoet> what's the story with #monero-defcon
17:49:35 <sgp_> better for them to reference the site than SE
17:49:40 <selsta> But a FAQ makes sense in general, yes.
17:49:41 <dEBRUYNE> SE has quite good SEO fwiw
17:49:46 <dEBRUYNE> They will often appear on top for a search
17:49:56 <msvb-mob> midipoet: What do you mean what's the story with #monero-defcon?
17:50:12 <sgp_> SE is good if someone googles a specific question
17:50:22 <sgp_> FAQ is good if someone goes digging
17:50:29 <msvb-mob> midipoet: I see now, let me try to fix that.
17:50:33 <selsta> IMO FAQ is more for general questions about Monero, not too technical things.
17:50:43 <sgp_> yeah agreed
17:50:52 <ErCiccione> selsta: yep, that's my point
17:51:05 <midipoet> msvb-mob: thankyou!
17:51:42 <kayront> question, there was some talk months ago about ring sizes increasing to epic quantities, is that still on the table?
17:51:47 <kayront> (hi everyone!)
17:52:24 <sgp_> kayront: not with clsags
17:52:27 <sgp_> longer term
17:52:27 <ErCiccione> For who is not aware of that. I'm changing the homepage, you are welcome to review and participate to the dicussion: https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/948
17:53:09 <ErCiccione> oh almost forgot
17:53:24 <ErCiccione> We are working on implementing the netlify previews on getmonero
17:53:30 <kayront> sgp_: years?
17:54:09 <ErCiccione> Basically every time somebody open a PR, netlify will build it and show a preview. That's useful because people without a building environment can see how a PR will look like once merged
17:54:26 <ErCiccione> see https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/pull/1016
17:54:48 <ErCiccione> That's something i look forward to and i hope will help increasing the activity on the monero-site repo
17:54:57 <dEBRUYNE> kayront: Realistically I think Triptych is 1-1.5 years out
17:55:17 <sarang> There are still some questions on multisig support due to some different math
17:55:27 <msvb-lab> midipoet: You (and all of us) can now again access #monero-defcon.
17:55:49 <midipoet> msvb-lab: thank you :-).
17:55:49 <selsta> ErCiccione: useful :D
17:56:10 <ErCiccione> i made a test PR that people can use as example
17:56:18 <ErCiccione> https://github.com/erciccione/monero-site/pull/17
17:56:22 <midipoet> msvb-lab: there might still be a permissions issue...as I get an error trying to post a message
17:56:44 <binaryFate> ErCiccione I'll get to the netlify thing tomorrow
17:56:58 <ErCiccione> I PRd the edited homepage. You can see netlify's comment with a link
17:57:09 <ErCiccione> that's the PR built and deployed
17:57:14 <ErCiccione> thanks binaryfate :)
17:58:03 <sarang> ErCiccione: any practical risk of an attacker fooling someone into thinking it's the real site?
17:58:23 <sarang> I suppose such an attacker could just deploy their own clone of the code, and the domain is netlify...
17:58:44 <kayront> asked this in -dev several mins ago before realizing there's a meeting going on, does anyone know if this would be possible: " another thing: would it technically be possible to have an "account viewkey", rather than a wallet-wide one? use cases would be services that require the viewkey to confirm payments, generate addresses etc, this is a fairly common use case; and for simplicity/backup/sanity reasons it's helpful to only have one
17:58:44 <kayront> underlying seed"
17:58:54 <ErCiccione> unlikely IMO
17:59:17 <ErCiccione> but even if they do think it's the real website, there are no downloads
17:59:41 <ErCiccione> and the links are hard to mistake. The homepage for example is built here: https://deploy-preview-17--frosty-jones-8df25a.netlify.app
18:01:33 <sgp_> thanks ErCiccione
18:03:14 <sgp_> anything else on the website?
18:03:58 <sgp_> sarang: can you quickly give an update on MRL?
18:04:07 <ErCiccione> don't think so
18:04:11 <sarang> Sure
18:04:19 <sarang> The CLSAG audit process is proceeding nicely
18:04:33 * midipoet realises there was a meeting
18:04:38 <sarang> I spent quite a bit of time re-running and correcting some tracing analysis that came out in a preprint
18:05:01 <sarang> The results are much better than the preprint had suggested
18:05:14 <sgp_> that was just a class project afaict
18:05:33 <sarang> Yes, but it got some attention and was a good excuse to run updated analysis anyway
18:08:06 <sgp_> thanks sarang
18:08:23 <sgp_> there's one topic ErCiccione wanted to discuss at the meeting
18:08:41 <sgp_> ErCiccione asked to reserve some time to make a decision of using “reasonably” in the homepage: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/471#issuecomment-639582413
18:08:47 <sgp_> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/971
18:09:25 <ErCiccione> yeah let's get done with that
18:09:39 <sgp_> I think it should be removed
18:09:49 <sgp_> it doesn't convey the nuances it attempted to convey imo
18:10:53 <ErCiccione> I liked it, but i see why people prefer to have it removed. If it's controversial, let's just remove it
18:11:04 <ErCiccione> people wanted to change "slogan" anyway, no?
18:11:31 <sgp_> yeah there were other ideas too
18:11:36 <kayront> fwiw i think it reads a bit like a cop-out
18:11:51 <xmrmatterbridge> <deedledea> +1 for removing it
18:12:27 <kayront> i understand the idea behind it, but for the uninitiated it probably reads more like "it's probably not gonna keep my stuff private"
18:13:07 <sarang> The idea was that privacy and security always depend on risk and threat models
18:13:43 <sgp_> who gets that from "reasonably" though if they don't already get that
18:14:00 <sarang> understood
18:14:23 <binaryFate> remove it please, it's only in geek circles that people might get the honest meaning. We're very honest if people dig more, no need to confuse on the homepage
18:14:32 <kayront> yeah sarang, iirc QubesOS used/uses "reasonably secure" as well, in reality that's what it is because nothing can be 100% safe
18:14:45 <kayront> but for new people the nuance will be lost i reckon
18:16:32 <sgp_> any final comments?
18:16:56 <sarang> I'm not tied to that specific wording. As long as the presentation is honest and reasonable
18:17:18 <sgp_> okay, we can wrap up then. thanks for your patience as we went over
18:17:22 <sgp_> 6. Confirm next meeting date/time
18:17:27 <sgp_> The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 20 June at 17:00 UTC.
18:17:31 <sgp_> The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday 27 June at 17:00 UTC
18:17:39 <sgp_> Conclusion
18:17:43 <ErCiccione> alright, i'll remove it tomorrow
18:17:45 <sgp_> That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, STAY SAFE AND ISOLATED, and know that change starts with YOU.
18:18:43 <binaryFate> Thanks sgp_ and all
18:20:40 <kinghat[m]> would it be possible for the ccs or core to setup bounties for things the project thinks it wasnt vs what community members thinks it needs as it currently is?
18:22:11 <kinghat[m]> example, the project needed repo builds, and the charlatan stepped up, but what if the project put a bounty on it and promoted it?
18:23:16 <msvb-lab> Thanks sgp, great meeting.
18:23:35 <kinghat[m]> if a person takes up the project and complete it they can decide to keep the bounty or give it back to the project.
18:24:20 <kinghat[m]> instead of randomly having ccs proposals for translations, just pay out for translations.
18:24:22 <selsta> Who would fund these bounties?
18:24:56 <kinghat[m]> "the fund" 🤷‍♂️
18:26:21 <kinghat[m]> im not saying do away with the ccs either. thats great for innovation from the community that the project isnt even thinking about.
18:27:16 <kinghat[m]> but we know that we will need translations for the next release.
18:27:44 <selsta> I don’t think the project has funds to pay every single contributor a bounty.
18:28:01 <dEBRUYNE> Bit late, but +1 for removal
18:28:23 <dEBRUYNE> 'Reasonably' should be removed and a link should be added to some kind of disclaimer page where we describe in more detail that Monero is not perfect
18:29:42 <selsta> The current CCS has the benefit of that there is a bit of friction, one has to write a proposal, get feedback etc. This has the benefit of filtering out low effort proposals.
18:30:26 -xmr-pr- [meta] michaesc opened issue #473: Monero Village Meeting: 13 June 2020, 17:00 UTC
18:30:27 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/473
18:30:40 <kinghat[m]> im not talking about for everything just bounties to bridge the gap between the ccs and non funded contributions. keep those and then also have bounties for things as well. maybe things with urgency.
18:31:38 <kinghat[m]> that same friction would still be a thing in the drafting of the bounty by the ccs or core team or whatever.
18:32:12 <selsta> What we can do is if a user setup a bounty themselves and says they will pay for X.
18:34:25 <selsta> This bounty thing would work better if Monero had large funds by a dev fee / premine. AFAIK BISQ does that.
18:35:08 <selsta> But we don’t so we have to be careful with what and how much we fund. AFAIK the current CCS is funded by community members and not the dev fund.
18:37:06 <selsta> So I agree that there is a place for bounties but the core team can’t fund it from the dev fund.
18:39:42 <kinghat[m]> the community could do monthly dev fund drives or something. maybe the community could control their own wallet and funding of these things like translations and what not 🤷‍♂️
18:40:12 <selsta> FWIW I think the current translation system works great and is done by mostly volunteers.
18:40:26 <selsta> 50 translators on such a short timeframe is impressive.
18:41:00 <selsta> There have been thoughts about a MRL fund.
18:41:34 <kinghat[m]> it is. they could forego their payment.
18:45:53 <kinghat[m]> however it's designed, that organisation could put a bounty on finishing up the qt issues with GUI repo builds in time for next release. might draw the attention of help that otherwise wouldn't have contributed or didn't have incentive to do so.
18:53:12 <selsta> It might also result in low effort contributions so that they can get a bounty. The majority of contributors in the open source space are not financially motivated and monero is a good example for that in the crypto space.
18:53:49 <selsta> Not trying to argue against your idea btw :P
18:54:08 <selsta> Just have some concerns and had them in the past when this topic came up.
18:55:34 <kinghat[m]> cant non-financially motivated contributions be low effort as well?
18:56:30 <selsta> Yes but they wouldn’t have an incentive for it.
18:58:09 <kinghat[m]> i feel like paying out of bounty would also bring more scrutiny as well.
18:59:51 <selsta> Why?
19:02:55 <kinghat[m]> because there is a transfer of value and the bounty would have to be examined for completion. there would be more 👀 on it as well 🤷‍♂️
19:03:51 <selsta> For every bounty someone else has to do the extra unpaid work of a thorough review.
19:03:54 <kinghat[m]> i mean we offer bug bounties dont we?
19:04:04 <selsta> Yes but that’s not the same.
19:04:46 <selsta> You want to incentivise people to report bugs instead of abusing them.
19:06:04 <kinghat[m]> who and how are the ccs proposals reviewed?
19:06:57 <niocbrrrrrr> where are meeting logs, on getmonero the most recent ones are from Oct
19:08:05 <selsta> I don’t know about translations. Dev work is reviewed by the devs.
19:08:56 <kinghat[m]> same for bounties then?
19:10:33 <xmrscott[m]> For localization typically someone else reviews
19:10:46 <xmrscott[m]> At least for the recent Nordic ones
19:11:08 <xmrscott[m]> I think lui-gi's friend reviewed it or something like that
19:15:35 <kinghat[m]> what about instead of all that, have an official or outreach/ccs combo type thing that creates noise about things the project needs, and to encourage people to open ccs proposals. or proposal "templates." like, "hey we really need x before the next release" if you have experience open up a ccs.
19:15:49 <dsc_> xmrscott[m]: mario?
19:16:42 <xmrscott[m]> Yes, let's go with that. I didn't want to ping him pointlessly, but still wanted to name drop him, so that was the first name that came to mind
19:16:51 <kinghat[m]> the "template" idea is just the community creating the proposal vs the contributor. in the end, the criteria has to be met.
19:33:40 <selsta> Similar to the ideas section on the previous forum?
19:35:18 <selsta> rehrar: https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/Norwegian_translation_core.html has a broken link on the bottom of the page
19:35:38 <selsta> It does not link to gitlab
19:41:55 <kinghat[m]> selsta: im not sure. i never really used the forum.
19:42:56 <selsta> The old forum had an extra step where others could pitch ideas.
19:43:48 <kinghat[m]> whatever it is, it should be highly visible and "promoted".
19:45:44 <kinghat[m]> i dont really see an issue with the ccs wg creating a proposal vs contributors creating their own ccs proposals as the current flow is and its effectively the same thing as a bounty.
19:46:15 <kinghat[m]>  * i dont really see an issue with the ccs wg creating a proposal vs contributors creating their own ccs proposals, as the current flow is, and its effectively the same thing as a bounty.
19:48:23 <kinghat[m]> the wg could put a price on it, or leave it open for a person to come along and put their own price on it, or both and allow for negotiations. could even be open enough to allow for revisions of the bounty itself.
19:59:26 <rehrar> selsta got it. I'll try to fix.
20:00:02 <selsta> rehrar: also my CCS CSS change never got deployed :(
20:00:40 <rehrar> your CCS CSS change
20:00:52 <rehrar> your CSC SSC SCS change?
20:01:10 <selsta> my margin fix for h1 headers
20:01:34 <selsta> also yep confusing
20:03:30 <rehrar> huh. It was merged.
20:03:37 <rehrar> I'll ask pigeons to do a ccs-front git pull
20:05:57 <rehrar> alright, pinged. Hopefully we can get that fixed.
20:05:58 <rehrar> :)
20:06:07 <selsta> nice
20:21:19 <rehrar> Check now selsta
20:21:21 <rehrar> All good?
20:23:59 <rehrar> Or maybe cache needs to be cleared for the site?
20:25:02 <selsta> guess cache yes
21:09:25 <niocbrrrrrr> where are community meeting logs?
21:09:31 <niocbrrrrrr> the newest ones on getmonero are from Oct last year
22:13:42 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Sgp usually hosts so I guess he is the person to ask