00:01:53 <hyc> awesome
00:01:58 <xmrscott[m]> Aha! Website probably found. Presumed price seem reasonable :)
00:02:19 <hyc> how many bottles from 1 cask?
00:03:15 <infinitejest-> 500
00:03:56 <hyc> cool
00:06:10 <infinitejest-> xmrscott[m]: it will be more expensive than their standard offering I'm afraid
00:06:38 <xmrscott[m]> Of that I have no doubt. I imagine it would probably be 28-50euro
00:06:57 <xmrscott[m]> The only question is if the ordine minimo applies in this case
00:07:11 <infinitejest-> 1 bottle is minimum
00:07:28 <infinitejest-> but there will be a max per person
00:08:04 <hyc> I will drink no winery before its time
00:08:15 <hyc> oh, it's time
00:08:19 <infinitejest-> lol
00:08:24 <niocbrrrrrr> https://www.wine.com/product/bruno-giacosa-barolo-falletto-2014/422598?state=NY&s=GoogleBase_CSE_422598NY_type_Wine_RedWine_Nebbiolo_11808&utm_source=google&utm_medium=cpc&utm_term=&utm_campaign=Google_Shopping_NY_Smart_Relaunch&showpromo=true&promo=PSCASE10&gclid=EAIaIQobChMIgIveodzN6QIVi7bICh2uJgFMEAQYASABEgK5v_D_BwE&gclsrc=aw.ds#
00:08:43 <infinitejest-> error 405 niocbrrrrrr
00:09:15 <FM20xmr> Will details on when ordering is live be made public here? I love this
00:09:33 <niocbrrrrrr> infinitejest-: must be blocked by region
00:09:37 <xmrscott[m]> I get no 405. Maybe a country code thing
00:09:58 <infinitejest-> maybe my VPN
00:10:00 <niocbrrrrrr> showing bottle reduced from $250 to $219
00:10:14 <xmrscott[m]> I'm running a US based VPN FWIW
00:10:28 <xmrscott[m]> Or I should say, node is US based
00:10:51 <hyc> works for me https://www.wine.com/product/bruno-giacosa-barolo-falletto-2014/422598#
00:11:00 <infinitejest-> FM20xmr: yes I'll post here and on monero reddit I guess
00:11:17 <niocbrrrrrr> there is a wide difference in prices, the vintage year only indicates potential
00:11:20 <xmrscott[m]> I wonder if anyone will ever make a Monero themed mead... I would buy so many bottles (if I could)
00:11:54 <niocbrrrrrr> and 2014 had great potential
00:12:06 <FM20xmr> infinitejest-Sounds great
00:12:16 <hyc> hmmmmmm I just hooked up with a mead company in Ireland a couple days ago
00:12:26 <infinitejest-> you first have to accidentally be a little drunk and create the meme by glitching IRC bridges xmrscott[m]
00:12:35 <hyc> true
00:12:53 <infinitejest-> .barolo
00:12:54 <monerobux> I just opened a 2004 barolo in your and all the devs honor -- https://i.ytimg.com/vi/-JvdfsIeb-s/hqdefault.jpg
00:12:57 <hyc> without the meme, it's just mead
00:13:24 <selsta> I once bought a 2004 Barolo for 50€
00:13:31 <selsta> but drank it already :(
00:13:36 <xmrscott[m]> .mead
00:13:40 <infinitejest-> ^^
00:14:52 <infinitejest-> selsta: was it as heavy as the one I had....I was so tipsy after 2 glasses
00:14:57 <xmrscott[m]> hyc: Good one meadery I trust? What's the name if I may be so bold?
00:15:05 <hyc> https://www.kinsalemeadco.ie/mead-shop/
00:15:28 <selsta> infinitejest-: yea I remember it being strong lol
00:17:19 <xmrscott[m]> Ah bummer, they don't ship to the US southwest
00:23:15 <infinitejest-> I wonder how anyone still ships alcoholics to the US. The regulations are a joke
00:24:14 <hyc> irish couriers can't do it at all
00:24:44 <infinitejest-> the winery and I seriously contemplated to exclude the US after some first probes
00:27:10 <xmrscott[m]> Well glad that didn't end up happening
00:30:39 <infinitejest-> we'll try although some states have to stay excluded
00:30:53 <infinitejest-> I'm still finding out which exactly
00:31:04 <xmrscott[m]> Ok, good to know
00:32:05 <infinitejest-> so far I'm only certain on Illinois...some law that says only registered wine importers can receive wine from abroad, not private persons
00:33:27 <niocbrrrrrr> so get a "distributor" in the US
00:34:07 <infinitejest-> niocbrrrrrr: I know but is it worth the hassle for the limited amount of bottles I have?
00:34:46 <niocbrrrrrr> quotes mean only cost is extra shipping
00:35:12 <niocbrrrrrr> which probably results in the same outcome
00:35:15 <infinitejest-> hm?
00:41:49 <infinitejest-> I just dug out this pic from when the wineyard owners invited us to lunch after the "business"
00:41:59 <infinitejest-> from 1 PM to 4 PM lol
00:42:12 <infinitejest-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/aN4eXLxG/excess.jpg
00:44:18 <FM20xmr> infinitejest-That is so cool :)  I love that
00:44:39 <infinitejest-> they are so wholesome and happy, it was heartwarming
00:44:46 <infinitejest-> 200 years in the same business
00:45:25 <infinitejest-> shoulda posted the before pic first
00:45:37 <infinitejest-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/K4UBnPEx/before.jpg
00:46:39 <infinitejest-> and while we're at it this is the village of Barolo in the valley:
00:46:50 <infinitejest-> https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/mk2w60nm/village.jpg
00:49:00 <xmrscott[m]> Population of 750 as of 2009
02:28:04 <rehrar> I will stream SCP game if people would find that fun
02:28:27 <rehrar> xmrscott[m]: join meh
02:36:50 <xmrscott[m]> rehrar: On a walk w/ fam atm, sorry :(
02:37:11 <rehrar> nuuu
04:58:56 <xmrscott[m]> Gotta enjoy this weird week and a half spell where it's cool enough to dine outside and stroll about before it hits 110 by the end of the week :S
05:20:36 <kinghat[m]> https://www.wired.com/story/inside-the-nsas-secret-tool-for-mapping-your-social-network/
13:26:14 <endogenic> y'all are going to be like
13:26:15 <endogenic> wut
13:37:27 <endogenic> i'm slightly lucky to know this but i dont actually subscribe to the bullshit asymmetry principle. it may be easier to make up bullshit than be correct but the statement that the community is more easily fooled by bullshit than the truth (the effect of refuting it) is actually a statement that the community is more than 50% ignorant and that they lack the ability to tell facts from a story in passing
13:37:39 <endogenic> so "Brandolini's law" is no law at all
13:37:46 <endogenic> it assumes an open, global system in which there will be more people you can fool
13:38:00 <endogenic> but the influx of people to monero is limited, and we also have quite the sticking power, so that works to my advantage
13:38:29 <endogenic> not only can individuals confirm things for themselves and decide on their own, but there are certain things that can refute a lot of bullshit at once
13:38:32 <endogenic> more powerful you might say
13:39:13 <endogenic> no matter how much bs is published - no matter how many senseless experiences i go through or how many times i'm lied to, it's not going to convince me to give up on right and wrong
13:39:23 <endogenic> there are people out there in this community who do still know right and wrong
13:39:32 <endogenic> or who value it
13:40:25 <endogenic> i'm not so stupid as to go online, knowingly stake my reputation after having run a very complicated company quite well despite al kinds of fuckery
13:40:29 <endogenic> and then post a bunch of lies
13:40:36 <endogenic> there were one or two minor mistakes
13:40:39 <endogenic> but wake up sheeple :)
13:40:45 <midipoet> i think of these "laws" are actually "adages"
13:40:53 <endogenic> laws can be perceived though
13:41:01 <endogenic> they just need to turn a constant to a variable there
13:41:03 <endogenic> or maybe a function
13:41:15 <midipoet> no, laws are written in legal frameworks
13:41:16 <endogenic> the "fixed point" was "assuming an open system"
13:41:21 <endogenic> that's one kind of law lol
13:41:32 <endogenic> laws are written in laws sometimes too
13:41:34 <endogenic> :P
13:41:43 <endogenic> like here's a law
13:41:55 <endogenic> "if you assume the axiom of choice then x, y, and z are definite consequences and you cant change that"
13:41:58 <endogenic> it's not made up by men
13:42:00 <endogenic> only the choice of axiom is
13:42:01 <endogenic> but alas
13:42:06 <endogenic> maybe that's too abstract for this chatroom
13:42:34 <endogenic> i'd rather talk about monero stuff anyway
13:42:40 <endogenic> like you and i can talk
13:42:43 <asymptotically> monero? never heard of him!
13:42:48 <endogenic> if we talk for 10 minutes and i give you all kinds of info
13:42:56 <endogenic> and someone comes along and says 10 minutes of less substantial info
13:43:01 <endogenic> the things you confirmed will remain
13:43:12 <endogenic> manero?
13:43:14 <endogenic> monroe?
13:43:19 <endogenic> count montenegro 3rd?
13:44:00 <endogenic> midipoet: maybe you were just trying to show brandolini's law
13:44:05 <endogenic> cause you said something weird
13:44:10 <endogenic> *makes a mark*
13:45:19 <midipoet> *I*(?!) said something weird?
13:46:58 <endogenic> hahaha let's say out of character from what you've represented
13:47:02 <endogenic> but maybe not
13:47:08 <endogenic> we have to be so careful how we categorize things
13:47:16 <endogenic> we need to check everything very carefully.... ourselves
13:47:22 <endogenic> one of the easiest things for a third party to do is make us doubt someone
13:47:30 <endogenic> especially when we dont want what that person says to be true :P
13:47:33 <endogenic> bec ause it sucks
13:47:42 <endogenic> even if there is a good path out of it
13:48:12 <endogenic> if we assume men can write human laws laws (or that we can only write adages - can't arrive at natural laws)
13:48:18 <endogenic> -laws
13:48:23 <endogenic> then the notion we cant write laws is self contradictory
13:48:26 <endogenic> because we dont know if we can or not
13:48:43 <endogenic> greed is one of the things that can distort worldviews
13:48:46 <endogenic> greed comes in different forms
13:49:29 <endogenic> sometimes it comes in the form of wanting someone to agree with us before conceding what they want, or even not reciprocating due to believing the other doesn't deserve fairness
13:51:57 <midipoet> good point about natural/physical laws. i stand corrected.
13:53:09 <midipoet> having said that, i am not sure if the same applies to sociological/psychological phenomenon - but happy to be corrected.
13:53:31 <endogenic> information theory underlies physics, realistically
13:53:35 <endogenic> it's the next step
13:53:44 <endogenic> we work by the same things
13:53:49 <endogenic> and the same rules apply
13:54:00 <endogenic> i can spend a lot of effort personally in order to set every possible counterargument right
13:54:18 <endogenic> meanwhile it only takes people's imagination to come up with likely sounding but very, very wrong counterarguments
13:54:24 <midipoet> i see that Law can also be passed down by God. so yeah - anything goes
13:54:28 <endogenic> and one person to be like yeah doubt him he asks you for something
13:54:45 <midipoet> So by that token, Brandolini's Law is probably allowed?
13:54:48 <endogenic> he wants you to do something for yourself like exercise or study or meditation which is hard so, doubt… it's easier
13:54:54 <endogenic> yes it exists but it's not a Law
13:54:58 <endogenic> it's an insult to the community
13:55:01 <endogenic> it says you guys are dumb
13:55:03 <endogenic> you wont check
13:55:09 <endogenic> you will be fooled by the same thing
13:55:13 <endogenic> you dont value yourselves
13:55:24 <midipoet> how can you prove that, if Law's can be passed down by God - or apply to Information Theory (as we have already agreed)
13:55:31 <midipoet> *Laws
13:55:39 <endogenic> sorry but i'm talking about Monero here.
13:55:42 <endogenic> you're free to ping me.
13:56:17 <midipoet> would, but have to work. enjoy
13:56:35 <endogenic> LOL
13:56:53 <endogenic> anyway guys there's a lot of BS out there
13:56:56 <endogenic> why do you think that is
13:58:28 <midipoet> because the truth (whatever that is) is difficult to understand for most (if not all) people
14:05:04 <endogenic> that's not really true
14:05:15 <endogenic> here's another interesting point
14:05:22 <endogenic> when someone sees something as it really is, it
14:05:27 <endogenic> 's really difficult for them to lie about it
14:05:36 <endogenic> when someone cant see things, it's really difficult or impossible for them to speak of things as they are
14:06:37 <endogenic> if someone can lie so much then how close to the truth were they
14:06:57 <endogenic> did they observe it as things developed, were they involved
14:06:58 <midipoet> i always thought things were relative. most single points of determination being some multi-axis intersubjective point of reflection.
14:10:53 <endogenic> the truth means facts as they are
14:11:22 <endogenic> if you are going to debate the existence of facts, we dont operate in the same world
14:11:45 <endogenic> or maybe i can be told facts dont exist so people can do whatever they want
14:11:47 <endogenic> wake. up.
14:11:55 <endogenic> truth does come out
14:12:03 <endogenic> it's usually a long time later though
14:12:25 <camthegeek> pitchforks out! we don't agree!
14:12:32 <endogenic> it's a fact "such and such said this"
14:12:34 <endogenic> haha good
14:12:37 <endogenic> you'll need them
14:12:40 <shillo> I prefer alternative facts
14:17:52 <endogenic> personally i dont like getting played
14:18:28 <endogenic> i used to give people the benefit of the doubt a lot
14:18:40 <endogenic> it's normal to believe what someone tells you with a straight face i think
14:19:17 <endogenic> but anyway, i expected the result
14:19:23 <endogenic> what do you think i've been so worried about
14:23:49 <endogenic> it's funny, thinking about it in retrospect
14:23:55 <endogenic> it really boggles my mind how fucked up and convoluted it is
14:24:03 <endogenic> that's the only way it would have worked, too
14:24:06 <endogenic> obviously
14:25:37 <endogenic> how about this
14:25:43 <endogenic> every person i've told has had their mouth drop open
14:25:58 <endogenic> i want to give the community reasons to uncover the truth
14:26:08 <endogenic> time is also a factor
14:26:13 <endogenic> how you accept what happens is based on how you feel now
14:26:19 <endogenic> i ask the community to be aware
14:31:24 <endogenic> matter of fact refuting bullshit is about as easy as publishing cryptographic proofs, records, receipts, …
14:31:40 <endogenic> even if it sucks because of personal danger
14:31:56 <endogenic> you all get to choose what you have in the future
14:32:06 <endogenic> presenting you with narratives is to constrain what you think you can choose
14:32:23 <endogenic> i was correct years ago when i said monero is most vulnerable to social attacks
14:40:40 <endogenic> for what it's worth, nothing was particularly unexpected in the reaction from some people
14:40:45 <endogenic> but i didn't expect people to lie that badly
14:40:57 <endogenic> it doesnt matter to me but i'm here to let you know :)
14:41:23 <endogenic> and for what it's worth, i, personally, am most certainly am facing legal issues
14:41:31 <endogenic> only after making decisions after being lied to extensively
14:41:36 <endogenic> i'm fine, don't worry
14:41:44 <endogenic> it's pretty much all bs anyway
14:41:55 <endogenic> but the community has a choice here
14:42:07 <endogenic> which is interestingly, what i wrote in my post
14:42:23 <endogenic> i
14:42:27 <endogenic> 'ma focus back on building now
14:50:14 <endogenic> i was also called a thief hahahah
14:50:17 <endogenic> just realized
14:50:21 <endogenic> ok
15:08:42 <endogenic> look at this shameless misspelling of monero
15:09:04 <endogenic> https://www.trylinux.today/distro/manjaro
15:12:26 <sunnuc[m]> > look at this shameless misspelling of monero
15:12:27 <sunnuc[m]> Where?
15:12:36 <asymptotically> where can i spend my manjaros?
15:15:42 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> https://wiki.manjaro.org/index.php/Manjaro_FAQ#How_is_.27Manjaro.27_Pronounced.3F
15:16:19 <xmrmatterbridge> <rbrunner7> Blame the shameless misspelling of Monero on the Africans then
15:16:34 <endogenic> i remember ubuntu
15:16:42 <endogenic> the sentiment i mean
21:31:45 * xmrscott[m] is very confused
21:32:02 <xmrscott[m]> Is someone trying to burn endogenic?
21:32:34 <endogenic> i'll be ok
21:32:38 * xmrscott[m] sees nothing particularly crazy on subreddit
21:32:54 <endogenic> indeed
21:33:01 <endogenic> dont worry
21:35:28 <xmrscott[m]> Ah, something to do with the CCS I take it? :(
21:35:52 <xmrscott[m]> Given the page not found
21:36:57 <xmrscott[m]> Whatever is I imagine the channel regulars have endogenic 's back if there's any aid one could provide
21:37:17 <endogenic> they do not
21:37:21 <endogenic> sound the alarms
21:37:35 <endogenic> i'm going into hiding virtually
21:37:38 <endogenic> i dont know who to trust
21:37:44 <endogenic> except a small number
21:37:48 <endogenic> time to get this shit done
21:37:52 <endogenic> i always knew
21:38:08 <endogenic> i'm a survivor. been training for this i guess
21:38:17 <endogenic> and this isnt a stunt fwiw
21:38:25 <endogenic> all this shit is real
21:38:39 <endogenic> anyway
21:38:41 <endogenic> time to stfu
21:38:54 <endogenic> i'm the one with the secret ideas
21:39:08 <endogenic> funny how so many people claimed i could trust them just to get info
22:10:59 <xmrscott[m]> Alright, best of luck with your ideas. Shame about all the legal drama, hopefully you're able to sort through it quickly endogenic so you can focus on stuff of interest
22:11:43 <xmrscott[m]> (And be in a better place env/emotionally. I can only begin to imagine the stress compounded by a pandemic)