02:01:55 <sgp_> rehrar: can you run the meeting Saturday?
02:14:15 <rehrar> Ye sure
02:59:48 <sgp_> Thanks a million
06:17:34 <fluffypony> heh
06:17:43 <fluffypony> https://imgur.com/a/LuYCP2B
06:18:03 <fluffypony> that was the thing endogenic organised at dinner after the announcement
06:18:10 <fluffypony> I loved how they forgot the T at the end :)
09:03:35 <dEBRUYNE> fluffypony: All that effort and then forgetting the T haha
10:38:48 <fluffypony> ikr
10:43:58 <neoflux[m]> We should get this Chico Crypto Mate from California on board Monero. He's funny and he hates Ripple and Justin Sun and he knows about the Tether pump. Check out this BTC vs. XRP "A Lambo Story" https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YT-9Yob-2IE
10:43:58 <monerobux> [ BTC vs XRP: A Lambo Story - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
11:28:27 <neoflux[m]> It's a smart car!
13:29:40 <endogenic> dEBRUYNE: You see my question to you in an answered I hope. But it's fine
13:48:39 <endogenic> is un
13:57:36 <midipoet> honestly: i don't understand how 'everything is fine'
13:57:58 <midipoet> as people have expressed quite a few concerns about the proposal as it stands
13:58:07 <midipoet> endogenic: ^
13:58:28 <endogenic> false info was stated in reply
13:58:37 <endogenic> i am asking what was the NDA'd info
13:58:40 <endogenic> but i am fine
13:58:45 <endogenic> and monero will be okay too
13:59:08 <endogenic> and it was accounted for in my plan that people wouldnt understand at first or that yarns would be spun
13:59:20 <endogenic> i am strong enough, so it's fine
13:59:42 <endogenic> but questions shouldnt be hidden and not just a subset of facts are important
13:59:47 <endogenic> but it's fine
13:59:50 <endogenic> because i already know
14:00:10 <endogenic> and i dont need the answer even if it would help people to know
14:00:15 <midipoet> but truth is global reality, not local
14:00:17 <endogenic> so he doesnt have to reply
14:00:27 <endogenic> yes i agree even if it also is present locally
14:01:00 <endogenic> i'm not going to devolve this into a he said she said even though claims were made
14:01:01 <endogenic> about ne
14:01:03 <endogenic> me
14:01:24 <endogenic> it's okay because i dont need the a swer
14:01:27 <endogenic> i just need the question
14:01:32 <endogenic> and the record
14:01:33 <endogenic> ttyl
14:01:40 <midipoet> i agree, that would not be helpful. however, a newly written CCS clearly stating the project would be helpful - to both you and the community (if a CCS is your goal)
14:02:33 <midipoet> i just have to assume a CCS is not your goal then
14:07:06 <endogenic> why? dont assume
14:07:11 <endogenic> so many people do
14:07:34 <endogenic> and so much has been assumed and believed unconfirmed
14:07:48 <endogenic> all of you should check every thing for yourselves. even what you think
14:08:02 <endogenic> Don't worry about me though. I'm relaxed for a reason
14:10:43 <midipoet> if a CCS is your goal, then i don't understand why you don't take the advice and guidance offered by the community. hopefully you will. a monero marketplace would be nice to see.
14:14:02 <hyc> why wouldn't we just adopt particl   /s
15:58:15 <endogenic> i am midipoet why do you keep saying that
15:58:26 <endogenic> wow hyc so accurate
15:58:29 <endogenic> let's trust you haha
16:11:18 <endogenic> by the way i might as well burn one "key" and tell you all someone's guess of hyc as the cto is certainly not it. i wouldnt have any reason to hire him except as an addtl dev - not a cto - his background is not really relevant and he hasnt really worked in a CTO role anyway
16:11:54 <endogenic> the person i'm working with is almost a unicorn. you will be very surprised and pleased to find out who he is
16:12:07 <hyc> lol. I could have told anyone that it wasn't me.
16:12:18 <hyc> nobody asked
16:12:18 <endogenic> when i say he's built something all of you in CC have used and know, it's real
16:12:37 <endogenic> oh well hyc
16:13:31 <hyc> but fyi, yes, I've been CTO at Symas for at least 18 years
16:13:40 <hyc> of our 21 years in existence
16:14:21 <endogenic> tell me, what does your ceo do?
16:14:37 <endogenic> in your particular co of which you are cto and founder
16:14:46 <hyc> what does any CEO do?
16:14:54 <endogenic> uh oh hyc
16:14:58 <endogenic> it's ok
16:15:09 <hyc> irrelevant question
16:34:56 <sgp_> endogenic: please keep this irrelevant conversation out of this channel
16:36:12 <sgp_> you can be excited about this idea we don't know much about without demeaning others
16:36:43 <endogenic> what says i was the one demeaning him jesus relax guys please
16:37:19 <endogenic> I figured my affection would have come through by now but text can be difficult in a global community
16:38:02 <endogenic> i didnt mean to make waves and frankly assumed and even knew the info was public
16:38:40 <endogenic> but i can take hyc's teasing one sided i guess. it's ok
16:40:48 <endogenic> Being a developer is not an insult by the way if that's what it was. A lot of people struggle just to be able to free up to write code
16:42:46 <sgp_> as a CEO one of your responsibilities is to figure out what info is public and what isn't
16:43:06 <sgp_> in any case I ask that you not have a conversation like this here. It's not Moenro-related
16:43:17 <sgp_> s/Moenro/Monero
16:43:17 <monerobux> sgp_ meant to say: in any case I ask that you not have a conversation like this here. It's not Monero-related
16:48:25 <endogenic> still genuinely curious what you'd do as CEO of one of these wallets though. can you imagine the value to Monero of that advice? I know you might doubt it but i'm 100% sincere. wish this were video chat
16:48:32 <ErCiccione[m]> We misspell monero so often that sometimes i think it's a good thing. Imagine googling monroe in few years and the first results are Monero related. Would be pretty cool :P
16:48:39 <endogenic> if you dont want to spend your time answering or you dont thgink ti's appropriate then it's totally fine with me
16:48:59 <endogenic> lol Er
16:49:06 <endogenic> those will all be forks in future
16:57:08 <dEBRUYNE> endogenic: I am not sure which specific information that you published is subjected to the NDA. However, fluffypony clearly states that some of the information is
16:57:26 <dEBRUYNE> I am not sure why it is relevant to specify which part of the information
16:57:42 <dEBRUYNE> The reason for the removal of the link of Reddit was that there was some confidential information published that shouldn't be there
16:57:47 <endogenic> no worries at all
16:57:54 <endogenic> it wasnt a fundable proposal
16:58:04 <endogenic> i had wanted to leave off my part anyway
16:58:34 <endogenic> I think it's an important matter to verify which information is claim to be not publishable though as well as whether it was a violation that justifies .. well
16:58:44 <endogenic> it's not an issye
16:58:48 <endogenic> sry bbl
17:00:27 <sgp_> In any case I think it's best to not continue conversation here for a removed CCS proposal
17:00:33 <sgp_> It's not very relevant
17:01:42 <endogenic> by what criterion or metric?
17:01:46 <endogenic> actual bbl
17:06:58 <sgp_> By mine since this is my channel. Make your own if you want to talk somewhere where you consider it relevant by your own measures
17:08:48 <endogenic> I'm asking so that I can abide by them dude
17:09:19 <sgp_> nah you're trying to skirt around them. we don't have suicide-pact rules here
17:09:35 <endogenic> Anyway I was told multiple times that MyMonero was a failed And would be open source or given
17:09:41 <sgp_> I'm done with this meta discussion
17:09:41 <endogenic> Don't you think it's important for the community to know that
17:09:59 <endogenic> I don't know what suicide pact rules are yet. googling
17:12:05 <camthegeek> next monero news headline: monero community turned lynch mob mode on to one of their very own after a crazy CCS proposal was made! :D
17:12:07 <asymptotically> mymonero failed?
17:12:26 <sgp_> failed to generate income
17:12:49 <sgp_> fluffy said he wants to make sure the users are taken care of
17:12:50 <endogenic> Fluffy wrote that in his reply basically as well. He told me that over months. Is that NDA information too? I don't know if it could be
17:15:27 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] pricode opened pull request #147: Swedish cli wallet
17:15:27 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/147
17:34:07 <thunderosa_> Sorry, Justin. I know you're wanting to shut this down on your channel, but this has been gnawing at me. All of this is abhorrent. None of it is fine. Paul, I don't know you, I'm meeting you through your recent words and find it all ugly.  But what's really disheartening is the burn rate,...this is some shameful ZCash shit. Volunteers are hurting out there, but he's a mil to burn up. Shameful.
17:34:27 <endogenic> no no no please
17:34:32 <endogenic> it's okay
17:34:34 <endogenic> feedback was right
17:34:49 <endogenic> pls wait for a little
17:34:58 <thunderosa_> No
17:35:03 <endogenic> no i'm asking
17:35:06 <endogenic> please wait
17:35:13 <endogenic> personal favor
17:35:35 <thunderosa_> For what kind of person?
17:35:45 <endogenic> you mean what kind of person am i?
17:35:51 <endogenic> or him?
17:36:01 <endogenic> none of us know others' futures
17:36:23 <thunderosa_> I ain't eating bait,..I said what I meant to.
17:36:53 <endogenic> or past accomplishments
17:37:00 <endogenic> ok
17:37:10 <endogenic> i truly believe we're in this together
17:48:22 <ErCiccione[m]> Guys stop it. Seriously. We all know what happened was ugly, but these conversations have no clue and are mostly born out of emotions. Let things settle down, then the conversation can continue in a more relaxed tone. No way anything constructive is coming out of this right now.
17:57:04 <needbrrrrrrr90> Idk why endogenic keeps saying he'll be back later like, five times an hour, on IRC, which an explicitly async chat medium. I think everyone knows. Adding that to the end of every sentence is unnecessary.
17:57:13 <needbrrrrrrr90> Bbl
17:57:37 <endogenic> it's when i expect not to see replies without ping
17:57:52 <endogenic> or when i will be back expectedly an hr or more later
17:57:54 <endogenic> bbl
17:57:57 <endogenic> 😇🤣
17:58:30 <pigeons> *pigeons* is away - AOL Instant Messenger
17:59:02 <selsta> hi pigeons we still have to fix something for website :D
17:59:22 <selsta> Content Security Policy related
17:59:27 <endogenic> hahaha
17:59:37 <pigeons> oh true, OK will look
17:59:47 <selsta> only on Safari so not too important
17:59:50 <ErCiccione[m]> The onion address!
18:00:09 <pigeons> bbl just reminds me of those away lines
18:00:14 <endogenic> afk
18:00:34 <asymptotically> blocking analytics is a feature :D not a bug
18:00:53 <selsta> asymptotically: no, it blocks safari’s internal video player
18:01:02 <selsta> and the video fails to play lol
18:01:09 <asymptotically> oh, it blocks piwik too
18:01:16 <selsta> yep, that’s a feature
18:01:17 <asymptotically> Content Security Policy: The page's settings blocked the loading of a resource at https://analytics.getmonero.org/piwik.js ("default-src")
18:01:18 <sgp_> Seriously any other conversations on the marketplace topic and related (and any prodding meta) are now considered off-topic, enforced with short-term bans. Please continue with other conversations
18:01:27 <asymptotically> thank you csp!
18:01:48 <selsta> already opened an issue to remove js tracking
18:01:58 <ErCiccione[m]> That's broken anyway atm
18:02:50 <sarang> so they say...
18:02:51 <sarang> =p
18:06:48 <sgp_> banned for unrelated spam reasons
18:27:13 <ErCiccione[m]> who banned?
18:30:00 <niocbrrrrrr> neoflux a new person
18:30:34 <selsta> they kept posting off topic videos, though I think a message would have been enough before banning
18:31:01 <thunderosa_> yeah, seemed like maybe it was a young guy trying to fit in
18:31:29 <thunderosa_> Was on some other channels doing similar....I don't know. Just seemed lonely to me.
18:32:26 <niocbrrrrrr> he talked on another channel how he got banned from some dash and btc channels
18:32:51 <thunderosa_> ah,...so we really are in 3rd place. Good eyes.
18:39:56 <needbrrrrrrr90> selsta: he was spamming his stuff across a bunch of different groups
18:39:58 <needbrrrrrrr90> Not just Monero
18:40:19 <ErCiccione[m]> oh good job. I actually wanted to suggest to ban the guy, but i didn't want to sound the usual asshole :)
18:40:30 <ErCiccione[m]> *sound like
18:41:07 <hyc> yeah, leave that to the usual assholes
18:41:10 <ErCiccione[m]> thunderosa_: maybe, yes. But it started to insult immediately when i asked them to stop spamming with crap
18:43:10 <ErCiccione[m]> hyc: i meant i am the usual asshole :P
18:45:21 <ErCiccione[m]> * i am usually the asshole
18:45:30 <ErCiccione[m]> cannot write today
18:46:08 <thunderosa_> I am also a usual asshole. Asshole isn't exactly right,..it's just standing for a quality. I take your asshole-ness as standing for quality and I respect.
18:46:35 <thunderosa_> Even if I disagree, I can't disagree too much because I believe you are speaking for something larger than yourself.
18:47:24 <ErCiccione[m]> :)
18:47:31 <thunderosa_> Respect of time too :)
19:25:26 <fluffypony> Brandolini's Law applies
19:25:33 <fluffypony> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brandolini%27s_law
19:25:33 <monerobux> [WIKIPEDIA] Brandolini's law | "Brandolini's law, also known as the Bullshit asymmetry principle is an internet adage which emphasizes the difficulty of debunking bullshit. The law states that "The amount of energy needed to refute bullshit is an order of magnitude bigger than to produce it."..."
19:31:09 <xmrmatterbridge> <vikrants> I never get on IRC..hi all.... but this Brandolini's Law I will have to remember as a reply for crazy conspiracy theories.
19:33:39 <needbrrrrrrr90> technically you're not on IRC, you're on mattermost, vik
19:33:39 <niocbrrrrrr> this was known b4 there was an internet
19:33:51 <vikrants> Hehe
19:33:56 <needbrrrrrrr90> :)
19:34:01 <vikrants> Now?
19:34:05 <needbrrrrrrr90> you are now.
19:34:17 <vikrants> Fast learner
19:39:47 <rehrar> selsta: you don't have to worry about the js tracking right now
19:40:07 <rehrar> as stated, it's down now, though we're getting it back up soon.
19:40:11 <selsta> rehrar: I don’t worry about it but I still want it removed
19:40:40 <selsta> a privacy coins with JS tracking on its website is ... ?
19:40:42 <rehrar> That it's down is actually my fault. :P I destroyed the box it was on thinking it was a test instance.
19:40:55 <rehrar> Although....maybe it was.............intentional?
19:41:01 <rehrar> dun dun DUN!
19:41:01 <selsta> you can do server log parsing to get necessary infos
19:41:03 <rehrar> (it wasn't)
19:42:09 <rehrar> can you link the issue selsta?
19:42:32 <selsta> https://github.com/monero-project/monero-site/issues/978
19:45:17 <rehrar> let's do it
19:45:51 <rehrar> selsta: I'm convinced. Nobody likes Javascript as a language anyways
19:59:58 <thunderosa_> This is offensive, my mom is half javascript.
20:01:06 <hyc> She looks it
20:01:21 <thunderosa_> Yeah, but she's fast on V8
20:01:25 <rehrar> oof, hyc, you can't just go around murdering people like this in a civilized society
20:02:08 <thunderosa_> I double down and say I don't hate PHP either.
20:02:23 <thunderosa_> :)
20:02:28 <hyc> lol
20:02:35 <pigeons> my mom is half visual basic
20:02:50 <thunderosa_> so sorry man ;)
20:03:02 <jwinterm> at least she's not just basic
20:04:00 <fluffypony> jwinterm: niiiiiiice
20:08:56 <jwinterm> :P
21:44:31 <midipoet> we are in jitsi
21:44:34 <midipoet> Come chat
21:46:13 <midipoet> meet.jit.si/meetinghall44