04:13:59 Isthmus: please share on Reddit 04:40:17 selsta : just went through this backlog finally - Bitcoin does not have a Dandelion++ implementation, only a Dandelion (afaik) 04:41:12 which is why I mildly trolled some Bitcoin fork trolling us about "finally" getting Dandelion ... waiting for them to write their own code for D++ 06:07:09 vtnerd_: https://github.com/dandelion-org/bitcoin/commit/d043e36bbe9249a78cf751c80b8d876b7d9f07ea 06:07:34 That’s the version all Bitcoin forks use, any quick way to check if it is D or D++? 14:00:27 -xmr-pr- [meta] michaesc opened issue #463: Monero Village Meeting: 16 May 2020, 17:00 UTC 14:00:27 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/463 14:51:08 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/464 14:54:47 selsta: ping me to make a ranked-choice poll once we have more ideas :) 15:00:26 -xmr-pr- [meta] selsta opened issue #464: Release name for v0.16 15:00:27 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/464 15:18:06 sgp_: Should we post to Reddit before or after you created the poll? 15:28:54 just 2 names to choose from? 15:29:18 Neptune 15:29:40 selsta: how urgent is this? 15:29:52 sgp_: We still have a couple of days 15:29:57 but would like to tag at the end of week 15:30:09 niocbrrrrrr: noo you can also suggest names 15:30:14 sorry I should learn to read 15:30:20 but I was too lazy to come up with my own 15:30:36 selsta: probably best to post on Reddit then to get ideas, then I'll make the poll in a day or two 15:31:26 oh look fluffy also suggested Neptune 15:31:42 thx :) 16:13:56 selsta: I can post to reddit if you want 16:14:24 okk 16:14:33 :) 16:26:17 Done 16:26:20 Also the testing thread is up 17:25:35 Thanks, I'll post on reddit shortly : ) 18:47:04 I went through code previously, its the original dandelion protocol 18:47:06 https://github.com/dandelion-org/bitcoin/commit/d043e36bbe9249a78cf751c80b8d876b7d9f07ea#diff-eff7adeaec73a769788bb78858815c91R1045 18:47:47 the selection for fluff vs stem is done per tx in that commit, as opposed to "epoch" (per time period) 18:48:06 vtnerd_: interesting, thanks for looking 18:48:08 theres a few other differences too, but thats just a quick one 18:49:04 https://www.dgbwiki.com/index.php?title=Dandelion%2B%2B 18:49:07 the thing is some of the forks probably don't have the devs to alter the protocol, so its just going to be word salad warfare 18:49:12 digibyte claiming D++ while only having D 18:49:25 correct, they were the ones I am thinking of in particular 18:49:45 DId you also look at Zcoin? 18:50:03 I cross-checked their code, it had no changes from this branch (at least at the time of one of my tweets) 18:50:09 I have not 18:51:17 https://github.com/zcoinofficial/zcoin/commit/66e34f7325a48947c9772a1e21d4db477c2a974f 18:51:33 I'm fairly certain grin has D++. I haven't checked their code, but their GitHub discussions indicated they at least understood some of the differences and were debating how to implement the protocol in practice 18:53:10 IIRC they made some updates to bring their original code more in line with the paper's specifications 18:53:44 grin? yes that was part of the discussion. the embargo timer was fairly short 18:54:03 FWIW the original Dandelion paper's results were based on very simplifying assumptions (I know that vtnerd knows this already) that don't hold in practice 18:54:09 This is one reason why D++ came about 18:57:18 one other intesting is that the paper for D++ was submitted to arxiv.org one may 28 2018 but the reference implementation (from dandelion-org) was comitted on may 9 2018. the authors wouldve/couldve known about the new protocol and released the code first, but the time would see backwards 18:57:40 *timing woudl seem 19:59:07 Jitsi fixed the issue where Chrome screenshare couldn't be done with a high framerate, which we observed during the Moneroversary (I used Firefox instead) 20:12:44 vtnerd_: are you willing to give a short presentation about your efforts adding Dandelion++ to Monero? The history, work, challenges, easy parts, benefits, drawbacks, etc? Could be useful to people 20:21:45 I think it could be very useful to explain particularly how the interaction between clearnet and non-clearnet are tricky and subtle to get right 20:22:07 and that "just add D++" isn't quite so simple 21:05:04 hmm. sounds useful, it would be at a higher level than my ramblings at monerokon last year. For some event in particular, or just for youtube? 21:18:25 zerocoin appears to be the same reference Dandelion code that digibyte is using 21:22:41 I wouldn’t be surprised if they don’t even know which version they have 21:30:20 selsta read my book 21:31:11 Guiz, dunno if you heard, but I'm not on vacation anymore. 21:31:27 So if you want me to do something please continue doing it yourself and leaving me alone. K thx. 21:35:51 sarang vtnerd_: I'm not thinking about a Breaking Monero-type episode. More of a debrief 21:36:28 Doesn't need to be for a particular event, just YouTube explaining what you did and why, what was difficult, etc. 21:43:50 I was inspired by the Jitsi call today where they talked about their infrastructure a bit and dealing with scaling it while it was on fire under ready load 23:14:38 sgp: Is there some definition of what number of streams a Jitsi server can support? I read comments from a radom guy stating that it's weak in that way, poor scaling to thousands. 23:15:20 It must be a big headache determining performance limits when comparing a lot of platforms. 23:15:56 I have no idea where the performance limit is. There are many things that can still be improved, such as the old VP8 codec 23:16:43 VP9 has been pretty standard for 6 years, no? 23:18:36 Interesting, but the impression I got was that when comparing Jitsi to other platforms (probably with similar codec strategy) the others win. I'm probably wrong about this, just an impression that made me think. 23:20:04 Discord is even worse when video is used, the AltspaceVR (thing that rehrar found) was way ahead with twenty thousand or something, maybe because it's vector? I don't know. 23:20:30 Quite a depressing mess. 23:20:57 I guess BlackHat is using on24, which scales great but I've never heard of it.