00:25:56 it's your time to use as you see fit. but yeah in general, I wouldn't do such a task for a profit-making venture without a contribution back 00:26:46 could argue that whatever they're trying to build off of only exists because the Monero community funded its creation 00:27:18 and it always rubs me the wrong way to see private enterprises profit without contributing 00:29:56 Thanks for the input, everyone 10:43:15 hi everyone. I am reaching out on behalf of the Greek Cryptocurrency Community. We have talked in the past about doing a meet up . We started talking with Mastering Monero sponsoring it but it did not work eventually. We would like to investigate any interest from other sponsors. This will be an online meet up in the start of June. 10:44:58 The total cost is involved is relatively small. Happy to show work from our previous meet ups with Komodo, Zcash , Cardano, Tezos, Sys etc as proof of work. 10:45:25 We are looking at doing a Monero meet up obviously 10:47:00 Cool 10:47:31 Were any of your other meetups also online ones? 10:51:08 all of them 10:51:13 oh sorry 10:51:31 all the previous were done with guests turning up on our locations 10:51:36 in Athens and Thessaloniki 10:51:52 we just had 1 online meet up last week.. we will release the video today 10:52:20 This is going to be our second online meet up 10:53:00 hey hey 10:53:14 hey :) 10:53:57 Here is some proof of work from our latest meet up. I will have the video available tonight if anyone wants to verify https://www.meetup.com/Greek-Cryptocurrency-community/events/269930024/?comment_table_id=509659255&comment_table_name=event_comment 10:55:12 Inge- All our previous meet ups can be found here https://www.youtube.com/results?search_query=greek+cryptocurrency+community+meetup 10:55:12 [ greek cryptocurrency community meetup - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 10:56:14 it is the 1 first may and on the website I can't find any link to the Monero Means Money film anymore. Would like to show it to my Grandma because she is one of the few listening to me in my familiy 10:56:16 We would like to do something similar for Monero... 2-3 speeches... 1 guy has to be someone from the Monero Community... we will add a couple of more educational speeches.. 10:57:31 Once the meet up is done, it gets uploaded on Youtube. 10:58:08 thank bro :] 10:58:21 *thanks 10:58:44 IF there is anyone willing to sponsor this, please let us know by emailing us at greekcryptocurrencycommunity⊙gc 10:58:55 We will obviously add logos on the banner and everything. 10:59:10 The cost is relatively small 11:13:36 Monis: Why do you need a sponsor? consider opening a CCS proposal btw. I'm having a deja vu, so i think this was already discussed in past 11:14:02 yes... we dont have much time... and we are not very sure how to do this 11:15:03 We want to avoid doing it after the start of June as summer vacation kicks in.... 11:15:15 We thought that speaking to a sponsor would be faster 11:15:26 ErCiccione: I also remember the same story from from a few months ago. 11:15:30 and that there are a lot of potential sponsors 11:15:44 How much funding do you need? How are he funds going to be used? 11:15:49 yes... we paused our meet ups due to Corona... but we now have the know how of doing it online so... 11:16:25 we need 30 EUR for the banners, say another 20 for zoom and say another 70 for our expiring meetup.com subscription. looking at 120 EUR 11:16:34 selsta: yeah, i think it parkled the discussion "for what reasons should people open a CCS" 11:17:03 people were divided on this on whether CCS was the right route or not at the time 11:17:03 Monis: use jitsi 11:17:12 Jitsi... ? 11:17:13 no zoom required :) 11:17:17 oh :) 11:17:36 we ll look it up... its just that... you know.. the moment is important... and we dont want to screw things up 11:17:59 Ok so you don't need funding for the meeting, you need fundings for your expiring meetup subscription, mostly. I think a CCS is good for that 11:17:59 but we are mindfull of the privacy concerns.. therefore everybody else will join Youtube live.. for questions on the chat 11:18:43 ErCiccione well.. obviously.. the meetup.com thingy will be used on our Monero meet up as well. 11:19:21 So ErCiccione that is not exactly correct 11:19:39 yes, sure, but i guess that will cover an yearly subscriptionof something like that. So the request is mostly: we need fundings for the meetup.com subscription, which is fine IMO 11:20:06 well... we are not going to argue over 60 EUR.... 11:20:25 We just want someone to help us in our cause. and our cause.. is an online Monero Meet up 11:21:09 but thank you for the suggestion ErCiccione 11:23:03 Why argue? i'm just summing the situation up. You would be asking for: 30 for banners and 70 for the meetup.com subscripton. I think that could be Ok for a CCS. I'm definitely not willing to supprot the funding of a privacy invasive service like zoom, especially when there are excellent free and open source alternatives 11:23:17 as i sai, it's a good use case for the CCS, feel free to open a proposal 11:24:11 I respect that ErCiccione. I hope it is clear that only the speakers and our admins would be joining zom. 11:24:18 Monis: is the most important need the money or speakers? 11:24:38 we need both Inge-. 11:26:03 The money amount is fairly small - and if you already have a name in the national scene, you could do a fundraiser on your site - And if it also had a monero address, you might have some people in the monero community who would chip in a few bucks. I'd kind of think that a CCS is a bit slow to get through the system? 11:26:06 I had no intention to argue ErCiccione. Just respectfully disagreeing :) We are more than happy to look at other software as per the community's suggestions. We are not narrow minded and we are aware of the ZOOM issues 11:26:42 disagreeing with what? i think i'm lost 11:27:15 I'd kind of think that a CCS is a bit slow to get through the system? <- inge- yeah, agree. A simple address + QR would be the faster way 11:27:20 Disagreeing on the fact that this is a meet up for us to cover our meetup.com subscription. This is a meet up to show monero to our audience. 11:27:49 I'll contribute something via a Monero address 11:28:23 Regarding speakers, Monero has an Outreach workgroup, and there is always Rehrar who is awesome about talking about WHY Monero (But timezones could be challenging) 11:28:29 Thanks Inge-. Appreciate the positivity here. 11:28:32 ? I never said that's a meetup made to cover the meetup.com subscription. I simply said what you are asking is to cover the meetup.com subscription 11:28:51 ok.. thats perfect. Thanks rehrar 11:29:36 I can't promise rehrar, I'm just saying that he is great at promoting Monero and often enjoys doing it. I have no control over his time :D 11:29:49 I understand Inge-. 11:29:54 But lots of other people can speak - and it depends on what you want the focus to be? 11:29:56 is he on twitter? 11:30:14 we want to present Monero to everyone who does not know it.... 11:30:30 we are doing this to make sure people stay away from garbage. 11:30:46 Monero HAS to be heard 11:30:50 he is in this channel, but likely asleep now. Also easy to find on the Monero Telegram groups. HE is on Twitter as @ofthesalazar 11:31:04 perfect 11:32:12 There is a youtube video from 2014 that is a pretty cool primer for monero (has nothing to do with monero). Panopticoin 11:32:19 super 11:33:57 There are also a few animated videos that describe the different elements of Monero in easy to understand byte-size chunks: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCnjUpT9gGxyQ_lud7uKoTCg 11:33:57 regarding fundraising... that is something we have not done in the past in the form of QR... and I am not sure this is the route we would prefer to take but appreciate the suggestions guys. Preferably, since our talks with Mastering Monero failed, we would like to go get in touch with Cake Wallet or something... as we don't have much time for a 11:33:58 [ Monero - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 11:33:58 CCS... as you said... the process would not be fast enough. 11:34:28 good stuff Inge- all this helps. 11:34:53 Anyone knows who is the person to speak to at Cake Wallet ? I think that was the 2nd alternative that we were looking at back at the time 11:36:38 re Cake Wallet: maybe @vikrants on Telegram, or @CakewalletXMR on Twitter? 11:36:55 Inge- you are the real MVP 11:39:07 But putting up a fundraiser for your own community, and possibly posting about your upcoming XMR meetup on the Monero subreddit, being quite honest and upfront about what you need funding for and making it easy for Monerians to toss you a little support, might be faster/easier than doing sponsorships (Monero as a community is quite familiar with donation-based funding...) - But Cake Wallet is a 11:39:13 decent candidate 11:46:25 I'd place a bet on a CCS request for this being funded faster than finding a sponsor. Who knows how much time you've wasted by trying to find a sponsor already when a CCS request could sit and get funded in between finding sponsors :P 11:49:12 I also don’t know why you would want to waste $20 on Zoom when Jitsi does the same for free while being open source. 11:55:36 A sponsor for 100 euros? when literally any other alternative would be better and no time to open a CCS, but they contacted the community the first time months ago, already looking for a sponsor. I smell fish 😉 11:59:51 for entertainment: https://twitter.com/officialmcafee/status/1256177810550460417 11:59:51 [ John McAfee on Twitter: "Does anyone else see the insanity of virtually all of crypto being tied to the value of Bitcoin? Why for example, should Monero, whose value is its Privacy, be tied in any wa ] - twitter.com 12:00:11 mccafee full shilling monero on every comment he is making 12:13:45 selsta I think we tried it and something did not work as expected... I am not sure of the details 12:14:10 ErCiccione what do you mean you smell Fish ? 12:14:21 A moment ago you did not want to argue... 12:15:04 plus you agreed yourself that opening a CCS would be slow. 12:16:13 we received 3 times the ammount for all our meet ups which took place in 2 physical locations... and we delivered. There is videos for that. 12:17:21 We contacted the community 2 months ago and changed our plans due to Corona Virus. Which part of this, is not clear enough ErCiccione? 12:20:51 What makes you think that i want to argue with you? I just have the feeling there is something you are not sayin. The approach you are taking doesn't make any sense to me, but hey. To each their own. Also, i really don't like your tone, so i'm done. Good luck. 12:20:53 camthegeek yes... we will now consider this option... To be clear its not that it took us ages to find a sponsor... its just that we stopped searching for one after 1 week because Corona changed everything.. Now we are picking it up from where we left it 12:22:52 ErCiccione " I smell Fish" is not a nice thing to say and I have the feeling that you do this to all newcomers.. This is toxic behaviour. The approach is in line with the fact that we want this to happen in a month and when things are done by volunteers they are done at their pace. 12:23:47 We may not have 2 weeks to wait for a CCS. This is the reason we reached out to sponsors. 12:24:48 And I am happy to explain everything that does not make sense. 12:25:49 Lol seriously? "you have the suspect", so you basically dont know, you are assuming things based on info you don't have. That's just stupid. I'm not even answering to the rest. 12:26:30 Not here to make a scene, but not here to be insulted by ErCiccione. Thankfully, everyone else has been nice.. and I therefore really want to thank Inge-, selsta, and camthegeek for your constructive comments 12:27:41 No one insulted you, you just joined the channel and were really demanding with wanting donations now, which immediately makes it suspicious. 12:28:21 so.. Monero community... thank you for your input.. I am trully grateful for your help... goodbye to everyone , except for 1 person. 12:28:47 selsta I would like to clear all those supsicions 12:28:53 Lol 12:29:00 Please express your concerns. 12:29:21 I want to come clean here, whatever the case 12:30:04 Good luck finding a sponsor. I would recommend you to use Jitsi so that you save a bit on Zoom costs. 12:30:05 * selsta afk 12:30:33 selsta I promise, I will take your suggestion very very seriously 12:30:37 you have a point 12:30:47 We will start testing this asap... 12:57:52 Be aware that the internet can often lead to statements getting misinterpreted 13:15:52 I'm with ErCiccione on this one. He did not come across as a nice guy. 13:17:26 Hmmm 13:18:43 he's likely not a native speaker 13:19:08 he is not azy. 13:19:32 I am sorry you feel this way TrasherDK1. 13:19:51 he has a youtube channel: https://www.youtube.com/channel/UCkLGxNtp2w4CMtrnYMuc8Kg/videos 13:19:52 [ CryptoCapitalist Greece - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 13:20:08 seems fairly popular with positive comments 13:20:12 its not mine azy. its our Youtuber's Channel 13:20:25 and all our meet ups are uploaded there 13:20:43 our youtuber is one of the community's admins 13:22:12 Funny how this became a "who was nice with who" situation. I made some questions, he answered suspicioulsy aggresively and most of the things he is saying don't make sense. That's enough for me to not trust the guy. 13:23:29 whats not to trust with all this proof of work ErCiccione? 13:23:37 i imagine the guy just wants to earn some crypto for his efforts 13:24:56 This guy represents a community on Telegram which has done many meet ups in the past. There is evidence for all this in the links that I have provided. 13:26:49 Not a single soul is making a cent out of this. 13:27:08 this is all community effort, as it has been for the last 2 years that our meet ups are taking place. 13:30:49 You guys need some pillows or something? 13:32:37 alright, i'm falling for it: You are contacting the monero community to fund your meetup about Monero, but your request for refunds is weird at best. You claim you are volunteers an you don't make a cent out of this, but you are asking for 30 euros for people to make banners, which is one of the most basic things that any volunteer can do for free and 30 euros are not going to funda graphic. You are also asking 13:32:37 for 60 euros to renovate your meetup.com subscription, which is not monero related and cherry on the top, you ask people even to pay zoom for you, when many pointed out there are open source alternatives. You first said you tested jitsi and found problems, then that you still have to test jitsi. When i pointed out that you are mostly requesting people to pay your meetup subscription, you claimed i was offending 13:32:37 you, which is a suspiscious behaviour. 13:32:46 swimming trunks? 13:34:30 So, Monis, you are either hiding something or your community really needs to find a better PR person 13:35:13 Gib Monis 13:35:18 I need Monis 13:38:50 ErCiccione I imagine you are trying to imply that we manage to fool Zcash, Cardano, Tezos and some other people.... ok I will answer that and then I think I am done with the insults.. 1) yes we pay for banners , we don't know anyone within the admins' team who can do it that well. 2) the 60 EUR represents the MAINTENANCE of our meetup.com subscr.. 13:38:51 (something we will use for our Monero meetup as well) 3) The technical set up is not something that is done by me. I was told there was issues. 13:39:17 OK fine... 13:39:49 Thank you for your help everyone. 13:44:39 i'm starting to think you don't know the meaning of "insult" at this point. I'm trying to be as clear as i can: it's fine if you want to ask people to pay for your meetup subscription. Clear that? it's -> OK <- . if you reread what i wrote before, i was pointing out that it was ok and i was suggesting the best way to get funded before you started to feel offended for reasons to me unknown 13:46:24 i admit i'm not famous for my diplomacy, but jesus christ, nothing of what you said make any sense and your contacticting claims and gratuiutus insult don't help your cause. 14:14:43 Hello all, I would like to share a big news, we have working blockchain scanning on our hardware wallet: https://rmxwallet.io/rmxwallet_scanning.jpeg 14:15:08 (I hope you see the picture) 14:16:25 It's a picture of a stagenet wallet, with some testing in and out Tx's. 14:17:38 (I am talking about full scanning inside our HW - no viewkey leaking. All txs are fed through the RMX device) 14:30:22 Monero Means Money premieres for FREE in a few hours: https://twitter.com/MoneroMovie/status/1256228374256762881 14:30:23 [ Monero Means Money on Twitter: "Monero Means Money, the #2 film for the weekend of April 10, premieres for FREE at 3pm CT (10pm CEST)! Watch the feature film documentary here: https://t.co/Va2Y2r6nSP ] - twitter.com 14:37:43 i_a: nice :) you might also want to post this on reddit 14:39:40 We are talking with my friend now about it. 14:40:39 Basically we would like to take ALL design files, all maufacturing files, firmware code, pack it into one single package and give it to monero community for free, if there is some interest in doing this. 14:41:40 selsta: do you think the best place to open this idea is post on reddit? 14:42:48 I guess reddit is a good start to get some input 14:43:35 selsta: ok 14:46:48 i_a agred, thanks for sharing :) 16:02:19 Unfortunately the original talk of MoneroMovie is not online but the old monerujo. https://media.ccc.de/v/34c3-ChaosWest-4-monerujo_android_monero_wallet 18:17:22 boldsuck: that monerujo one is good too 18:28:04 what statistics/information about monero do you routinely check? reddit posts, price, what else? 18:44:57 azy: Reddit, StackExchange, IRC 18:47:04 price 18:47:13 block reward 18:47:26 transaction pool 18:47:34 block height 19:05:59 * kinghat[m] uploaded an image: image.png (492KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/bAtCPiYWzLWbONuDReGeQxYS > 19:06:11 lmao 19:35:49 hahaha 19:36:13 are those RAM chips dead though? 19:36:55 Then the box would contain memory chips, which sparks memories about the memory they provided. 19:37:43 that pic is so old 19:47:59 Mochi101: k, thanks. Then I take back what I've just said, because it obviously doesn't to older pictures. 19:48:29 *doesn't apply 20:05:13 82 people are watching the movie premiere 20:13:28 did the paying with xmr/crypto get worked out? 20:16:10 yeah, we processed the payments manually 21:07:09 selsta, vik finally replied 21:07:17 We have it received from the receive screen. We have it on the send screen because some exchanges still use it 21:07:17 But will do 21:07:28 I think he meant removed from the receive screen 21:07:54 okay thanks 21:08:53 if anyone is watching the livestream chat, this is why I want a Monero live chat tool haha 21:14:03 ? 21:24:26 someone didn't know about encryption and antivirus 22:10:20 the movie title may be *slightly* misleading haha https://usercontent.irccloud-cdn.com/file/PqGB3U8u/Screenshot_20200501-170946_Blockfolio.jpg 22:10:59 lol sgp_ 22:11:12 Brave 35 people selecting "airplane" 22:11:16 I bet so many people were like... "damnit" 22:11:58 Maybe because with Monero it just flies so effortlessly from one person to another. 23:07:34 So there's an upcoming gitcoin hackathan on privacy technology: https://gitcoin.co/hackathon/privacy/onboard 23:07:43 Any interest in supporting as a sponsor? 23:08:10 s/hackathan/hackathon 23:08:10 sarang meant to say: So there's an upcoming gitcoin hackathon on privacy technology: https://gitcoin.co/hackathon/privacy/onboard 23:08:13 good bot 23:17:26 sarang: can you show us the current prizes? 23:17:32 or are those not posted yet 23:39:31 I don't see them posted 23:39:49 Just throwing it out there as an idea. I don't have details