02:20:09 <sarang> Hooray! https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q2.html
13:35:28 <ErCiccione[m]> Who else is watching our global economic system collapse in real time?
13:41:04 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Hooftly#1337>: its mad
13:45:27 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: is there a tracker like coinmarketcap for the "global economic system"?
13:55:10 <ErCiccione[m]> Kayla: https://www.investing.com/indices/major-indices
14:22:01 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: dang, thanks for the link but i legit have no idea what any of these are 😹
14:36:04 <ErCiccione[m]> Without going too much OT, the ELI5 would be: they are world market indices. Lower they go, shittier the global economy is. Right now we are at 2008 level shittiness
14:38:59 <ErCiccione[m]> and consider those values are not going further down because they are halted, to avoid people dumping to 0
14:39:42 <ErCiccione[m]> the situation is superbad. Like the global economy is collapsing for real, it's not figurative speach. Cryptocurrencies are nothing in this market
15:00:25 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 2008 was doing that world of warcraft thingy so like, world of warcraft gold economy, i legit have no frame of reference for that, seemed to be fine, the world still exist and didnt end in 2012 either x)
15:01:44 <sarang> rehrar: might need to update my CCS again :/
15:01:48 <sarang> the price has tanked
15:02:29 <sarang> I could reduce its time frame
15:02:33 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: wdym? it was $30 few hours ago and now back to $32.57
15:02:50 <sarang> Reducing the time frame might lessen the burden on potential interested donors
15:02:58 <rehrar> Maybe month by month would be better in this time, yeah.
15:03:35 <sarang> How would that work with the CCS backend workflow?
15:04:19 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: or set it up to 2k XMR and problem solved 😹
15:04:21 <rehrar> You just make one payout for your one milestone.
15:04:32 <rehrar> Oh wait you do that anyways n
15:04:56 <rehrar> Just change your description to "one month only due to volatility"
15:05:02 <rehrar> Put it in bold at the top or something.
15:05:38 <sarang> Does that work since it's already been merged?
15:05:43 <sarang> It got merged yesterday
15:06:02 <rehrar> No. But we can delete that one. How much has been donated?
15:06:08 <sarang> Only 0.5 XMR
15:06:25 <sarang> I'm not sure the best way to proceed here
15:06:31 <sarang> kind of in uncharted waters
15:06:31 <rehrar> 0.5? We can transfer that to the new one.
15:06:44 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: so its like
15:06:51 <rehrar> The CCS is purposefully vague in it's execution.
15:06:56 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: you guys getting paid in xmr and instantly cashing out in fiat?
15:07:12 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: but isnt the purpose of cryptocurrencies is to not having to rely on fiat
15:07:16 <rehrar> Kayla what they do with their XMR is their business. Hold or cash out.
15:07:36 <rehrar> Kayla, if we have people working full time and only getting paid in XMR, they have to buy groceries, pay rent, etc.
15:07:58 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: right but read on the CSS that prices were given in USD
15:08:00 <rehrar> The purpose of these CCS proposals is to get people to do full time research (in sarang's and surae's case)
15:08:06 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: they could buy groceries with XMR
15:08:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: like heck, u can order pizzas with XMR
15:08:32 <rehrar> Yes, because when dealing with the livelihood of people we need to be practical rather than idealistic.
15:08:39 <rehrar> We can be idealistic in other areas.
15:09:01 <rehrar> We'd rather our smart PhDs, who could get jobs elsewhere if they wanted, to live good lives and want to keep working on Monero.
15:10:07 <rehrar> Aa another person who gets paid in XMR for my work, I also need to cash out to fiat to live.
15:10:12 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: sure, makes sense, just finding odd to have to rely with USD price for it, that's all
15:10:26 <rehrar> Sure. :)
15:16:17 <sarang> luigi1111w your thoughts?
15:16:31 <luigi1111w> sounds good
15:16:33 <luigi1111w> thoughts on what
15:18:24 <sarang> switching the current open CCS to a monthly via a close-and-rewrite
15:18:32 <luigi1111w> not really a fan
15:19:16 <luigi1111w> this is a difficult time for everyone
15:19:24 <luigi1111w> I don't even know if donors are here heh
15:19:55 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: heard that usa printing an other $1.5 trillion so its like, ur usd calculation value fluctuation thingy def gonna be a pain for both short-long term thingies
15:20:41 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: "money printers go brrrrrr"
15:20:53 <sarang> luigi1111w: the hope is that a shorter-term one might also make it easier on potential donors due to high volatility
15:22:22 <luigi1111w> I know
15:22:26 <luigi1111w> we're in uncharted waters here
15:22:38 <luigi1111w> world is basically shut down and it'll just get more that way over the next month I think
15:28:46 <dEBRUYNE> sarang: How would you handle a sudden large price increase?
15:28:56 <dEBRUYNE> I don't think it is viable to continue to adjust prices with this volatility
15:32:47 <luigi1111w> I would almost rather see back/postpay here
15:32:53 <luigi1111w> either things will normalize in a month or two
15:33:03 <luigi1111w> or CCS might cease to exist, who knows ^_^
15:33:49 <luigi1111w> I don't think it's viable in its current form with Monero at <$25 (if it gets there)
15:34:09 <luigi1111w> I could be wrong of course
15:36:01 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: an other calculation could according to nethash, that's the one thing that hasnt changed, well maybe from 1.4 to 1.2 but its stable at 1.2GH/s so doing the calculation on how much electricity it cost to do 1.2GH/s, there is like 30 blocks per hour x 24 hours within a day so like 720 blocks per day, how much MH/s over 3 months is your work worth and doing the calculation like that instead of USD
15:36:44 <jwinterm> .network
15:36:44 <monerobux> The current block height is 2,055,757. Difficulty is 139,442,906,617. Hashrate is 1162.02 Mh/s.
16:54:50 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: can do a quick example of calculation, depending on your electricity cost, mine is at $0.21 per kwh which is fucked up, 3rd world country whatever but like, for the example, will take $0.15 per kwh, as for the example rig
16:54:51 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 3900x seems pretty popular, dont have the numbers on how many Epyc or Ryzens are on the network but ill use 3900x doing 15020 H/s and the rig user 130 Watts for the example so like:
16:54:53 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 10415 USD / 0.15 = 69433 W
16:54:54 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 69433W / 130W = 534 rigs
16:54:55 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 534 rigs x 15020 = 8,020,680
16:54:57 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 8 Mh/s is currently about 274 XMR per month with current nethash
16:54:58 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 274 x 3 = 822 XMR
16:58:18 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: u did 704 XMR cause market price was 48.80 USD which would have been $34,355.2
17:00:11 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 822 XMR at current market price which is $33.19 would be $27,282.18, so you're 8k short compared to using the usd price but at least, nethash is fluctuating less and you can put your own numbers in there anyways, was just an example
17:02:49 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Descartes#5580>: How are you getting 15kh on a 3900x?  I only got 12.5 when optimized for hashes/watt?  Are you getting that with no consideration to power consumption?
17:03:31 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: i dont, didnt even unboxed the 3900x yet, was just reading the benchmark page thingy
17:04:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh nvm
17:04:16 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: "4200mhz@1,250v - ddr_3800 cl16-16-17-32 w/ ryzen ram calculator=fast; 240w (wall)"
17:04:21 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 240W from the wall
17:04:27 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: <:t_derp:611585257606610955>
17:05:20 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: well i guess Dr. Sarang could use an Epyc for his own calculations then, would be closer to the USD price originally set 😄
17:06:01 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Descartes#5580>: 240w is more normal at the wall, that's what I am getting.  199w CPU only.
17:06:44 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Descartes#5580>: SoC 1.0625, coreV 1.26875, Set to 4Ghz
17:07:40 <nioc> 3900X 4.1 GHz 15k H/s 182 watts at wall
17:07:56 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Descartes#5580>: It'd be nice to know what it takes to get that!
17:08:05 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Descartes#5580>: I was tweaking for days to get my numbers
17:08:16 <nioc> Obviously not tbe most efficient cpu speed
17:08:47 <nioc> Good ram
17:09:19 <nioc> Samsung b-die 3200
17:09:24 <nioc> Tuned
17:10:00 <nioc> Some tunigs matter more than others
17:10:40 <nioc> Ram doesn't matter as much on a 3600
17:16:43 <rehrar> thoughts on starting an ever-increasing CCS proposal for the MRL?
17:17:07 <rehrar> We market the heck out of it and get people to donate as much as possible. We can use this primarily for salaries.
17:19:22 <jwinterm> ever-increasing?
17:19:41 <dEBRUYNE> Some kind of perpetual fund?
17:19:49 <rehrar> meaning we set a super high bar, 20,000 Monero.
17:19:55 <rehrar> And if we hit it by some miracle then we increase
17:19:57 <rehrar> yes dEBRUYNE
17:20:11 <rehrar> I may be biased here, but if there's a couple people I want to fund it's our PhDs
17:20:33 <dEBRUYNE> But that gives them basically an unlimited fund to draw from with little accountability
17:20:38 <rehrar> they've risked their livelihoods to work on Monero.
17:20:47 <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: no, you misunderstand. That fund is still handled by core.
17:20:50 <dEBRUYNE> With the quarterly proposals, the donors can at least reasses on a quarterly basis
17:20:56 <rehrar> Payouts (month to month or quarterly) are paid out by them.
17:21:31 <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: if we can't do at least something to alleviate the stress of things like this for them, I wouldn't be surprised if they look for work elsewhere
17:21:46 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: what if PhDs getting cronovirus and like if they old cause they spent too many years getting that phd and they be smoking cause the stress then they likely to be ded while core having 20k+ monero
17:22:03 <rehrar> Kayla it would go to the general fund.
17:22:13 <selsta> :D
17:22:31 <rehrar> selsta: ?
17:23:53 <selsta> I feel like general fund could have better transparency, but core team announced they would do that. Not sure if it is still in the works.
17:23:58 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: and if core getting cronovirus then it'll end up being a burn address
17:24:42 <rehrar> selsta: I'll ping them about that.
17:24:56 <rehrar> Though I know atm I'm the biggest expense
17:25:06 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: on btc satoshi address kinda are burn addresses so its not like its a good or bad thing either way for the cryptocoin ecosystem, still heartbreaking for the ones that donated knowing that it's being burned
17:25:32 <rehrar> sure, but core is decentralized and several of them have the key
17:25:33 <selsta> rehrar: yep, still transparency is always good
17:26:02 <rehrar> selsta: also, if we keep falling maybe I won't be the biggest expense anymore, because they can't pay me :D
17:26:06 <rehrar> so that'd solve that problem also
17:26:11 <selsta> noo
17:26:13 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: just saying, all core could get cronovirus and thents its all fucked 😿
17:26:18 <selsta> there were some funds left from last time :D
17:26:58 <selsta> ok if price keep falling then maybe
17:27:01 <selsta> hopefully not
17:27:25 <rehrar> Not quite sure what I'd do if that would be the case. But I think I'll be ok.
17:27:35 <rehrar> I have a design firm and cypher market (two orders a month lol! :D)
17:27:46 <rehrar> but PhDs might be hurting
17:27:48 <rehrar> all they can do is math
17:28:02 <selsta> I enjoy my cyphermarket monero mugs :D
17:28:32 <rehrar> we have more designs bro
17:28:47 <selsta> but my kitchen is out of space lol
17:28:51 <rehrar> maybe if HCPP or other stuff isn't cancelled this year we can meet up again. It'd be good to chill.
17:28:55 <rehrar> Ye, forget the mugs.
17:29:07 <rehrar> Hey, hop on the VR thing with me selsta. You only need a browser. No VR.
17:29:16 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: current supply on xmr is about the same as the one on btc tho, one is being like 3x $10 bills, the other is few thousands for just a single one of that cryptocoin, xmr falling lower, no big deal, it can only go down to 100% but go up to infinity% cause you know, they can just print infinity USD so its like, infinity market cap supply
17:29:28 <rehrar> You too Kayla
17:29:44 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: wait wat
17:30:02 <selsta> rehrar: soon^tm
17:30:06 <selsta> I tried it
17:30:14 <selsta> and my laptop got super hot and loud lol
17:30:19 <selsta> is that noral
17:30:22 <selsta> normal?
17:30:27 <rehrar> depends on how many people are in the room yeah
17:30:32 <rehrar> try it with just you and me
17:30:33 <selsta> it was only me :D
17:30:41 <selsta> i’m on mobile
17:31:21 <rehrar> https://hub.link/ktcMqWR
17:31:25 <rehrar> you can come on your cell phone too
17:31:53 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: even on my non-smartphone flip phone? 😮
17:32:10 <rehrar> YES
17:32:10 <rehrar> no
17:32:13 <rehrar> what's wrong with you?
17:32:17 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: x)
17:45:41 <selsta> my phone died
17:45:49 <selsta> and rehrar you were suddenly gone :(
17:45:57 <rehrar> yes you were suddenly gone too
17:46:11 <selsta> i clicked something
17:46:17 <selsta> and your character vanished
17:46:35 <selsta> with a pop sound lol
17:49:52 <rehrar> did you click Hide?
17:49:54 <rehrar> you probably hid me
17:54:41 <selsta> hiding was the same gesture as moving
17:54:43 <selsta> rip
18:01:45 <needmonero90> Anyone want to play Secret Hitler with rehrar and I? We need at least 5 people total, more is better. With everyone in lock down, it might be fun :D
18:01:50 <needmonero90> Secrethitler.io
18:07:17 <dEBRUYNE> rehrar: Haven't we already taken plenty of measures to alleviate the stress for them?
18:11:32 <rehrar> I can think of one, which is paying them up front. What others were you thinking of dEBRUYNE?
18:26:46 <dEBRUYNE> Paying up front and in general being more lenient
18:27:05 <dEBRUYNE> Also allowing to adjust the rate + afaik both have already some kind of buffer added to their proposal to account for volatility
18:27:09 <dEBRUYNE> downside volatility*
18:45:29 <sgp_> I can send a notification for triptych soon
19:25:12 <dEBRUYNE> sgp_: Blockfolio notification?
19:30:03 <sgp_> Yeah
19:30:11 <sgp_> dEBRUYNE
19:36:17 <dEBRUYNE> Ah, would be cool yes
20:18:44 <sarang> sgp_: notification for what about triptych?
20:18:49 <sarang> the triptych-2 preprint release?
20:26:06 <sgp_> sarang: yes
20:26:16 <sgp_> anything in particular I should say
20:28:50 <sarang> no
20:29:13 <sarang> Sorry, it's hard to think clearly about things under the current circumstances
20:31:37 <sgp_> got it
21:24:14 <ErCiccione[m]> Now that i think about it, we have some updates from core that haven't happened yet: report on the general fund and the report of what happened when getmonero got compromized. I mean, have been months now and it's quite important stuff
21:26:42 <ErCiccione[m]> We are putting a lot of trust in the core team in these years, i think should be rewarded with giving at least the report that were promised
21:28:37 <ErCiccione[m]> and i know that i'm always the pain in the ass, but i'm a big fan of the phrase: "eternal vigilance is the price of freedom"
21:29:03 <sgp_> It's a fair desire