00:56:19 <sgp_> intj440: I like that description for academic-types, but is that useful to the audience? If they're asking if Monero is a mixer, should we make the assumption that they know what decoys are?
01:06:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <intj440> sgp_: but my wording didn't mention decoys?  Also, is it even known what the audience profile is?  Could be anyone.
01:07:19 <sgp_> Sorry, I misread it
01:10:13 <xmrmatterbridge> <intj440> no worries.  i agree though that the answer shouldn't be overly technical.  Always hard to simplify language while preserving correctness
09:16:32 <decent-username[> <sgp_ "intj440: I like that description"> You probably should assume, that they don't even know how a mixer works.
10:31:55 <Inge-> seems to me that both the fact that it is a default part of the protocol, so the user assumes only privacy and doesn't care about mixing explicitly
10:32:35 <Inge-> AND the fact that it ISN'T a mixing of your funds with someone elses funds, it is just making it hard to tell which funds were spent - YOUR funds were the ones *actually* spent - are both important factors
13:47:43 <selsta> we still need testers --> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/fd9f29/gui_v01504_testers_needed_linux_macos_windows/
13:47:44 <monerobux> [REDDIT] GUI v0.15.0.4 testers needed! (Linux, macOS, Windows) (self.Monero) | 25 points (86.0%) | 10 comments | Posted by selsta | Created at 2020-03-04 - 07:15:52
17:05:42 <sarang> .time
17:05:42 <monerobux> 2020-03-04 - 17:05:42
17:05:45 <sarang> good bot
18:04:18 <nioc> Inge-: what Inge- said
18:42:53 <nioc> I just checked SerHack 's CCS proposal is no longer in Ideas and is not in Funding Required
18:43:27 <nioc> I have only been checking Funding Required for the last several days
18:44:46 <sgp_> rehrar
18:44:48 <sgp_> ^^
18:46:55 <rehrar> Fixed
18:47:00 <rehrar> Should show up in a minute or so.
19:00:58 <UkoeHB_> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/fdhtqh/request_for_proofreading_zero_to_monero_second/
19:00:59 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Request for Proofreading; Zero to Monero: Second Edition (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by UkoeHB | Created at 2020-03-04 - 19:00:18
19:02:44 <rottensox> ^. will do my best to skim through it; thank you very much UkoeHB_.
19:30:31 <AlexAnarcho> sooo, virtual monero konferenco, could be cool. for me its a real bummer with the high uncertainty and the virus, since plane tickets dont get cheaper and cancelling last minute would be a real shame
19:31:07 <rottensox> same.
19:31:13 <Inge-> yeah it is not the preferred approach - RL conference is what to aim for. But given the circumstances, that is just unrealistic this side of summer.
19:33:21 <AlexAnarcho> is moving the event back a few months an option? although berlin is a bitch in the cold season
19:34:04 <midipoet> i would prefer a change of date, personally. i don't think a VR conference is a sensible idea, even if it seems quite unique/novel
19:34:08 <rottensox> Hey, they have Baltic Honeybadger in Riga and that's even farther east than Berlin. And it takes place in September. AlexAnarcho
19:34:38 <rottensox> I also endorse the idea of postponing, not cancelling. the konferenco meeting logs and work completed thus far can set the ground for a later date.
19:34:54 <AlexAnarcho> anybody planning on going to baltic honeybadger? could be something i would look into
19:35:13 <rottensox> i plan on going every year and never pull it off, ironically.
19:35:25 <AlexAnarcho> :D sounds familiar
19:35:32 <rottensox> but this is far off-topic. we're talking bitcoin in romero land. let's not.
19:35:46 <AlexAnarcho> yeah... you have a point
19:41:46 <nioc> as far as postponing to a later date this year, corona will be probably be back starting Sept
19:41:50 <nioc> although corona is not influenza look at the history of the Spanish flu
19:42:27 <nioc> it started late one year like corona did and the following flu season is when things got really bad
19:43:14 <rottensox> be back starting Sept?
19:43:22 <rottensox> why?
19:43:33 <nioc> that's when flu season starts
19:44:46 <midipoet> to be fair, the era of the Spanish flu was very different
19:48:18 <nioc> yes but it seems likely that we will not be eradicating it and we will not have a vaccine this year
19:48:36 <nioc> but yes this is uncharted territory
19:48:45 <nioc> difficult to plan
19:49:21 <nioc> disclaimer: I am in a bad category when it comes to corona
19:50:06 <Inge-> Italy up to 3089 cases / 107 deaths
19:53:57 <nioc> midipoet: as to your comment in konferenco, AFAIUI with other corona viruses being exposed doesn't give you immunity
19:54:30 <rottensox> what doesn't kill you makes you stronger doesn't apply to winnie the flu?
19:54:38 <rottensox> i am writing a complaint.
19:54:57 <midipoet> they are all from the same family? i am no expert, but surely you build "some" sort of resistance
19:55:25 <nioc> 25% of the common colds are from corona
19:56:06 <nioc> I think we should take all this info with a few pounds of salt
19:56:40 <midipoet> yes, so you will surely build up antibodies for some of those viruses? how many, i have not a clue, admittedly
20:00:43 <sgp_> The concern is mostly for people with weak immune systems due to a variety of reasons.
20:01:27 <sgp_> Even if I'm young and would probably not die if I got sick, I don't want to potentially spread a virus to someone else who could
20:02:16 <Inge-> italy still on the floated number - 3.4% fatality rate. also heard 6-9% need respiratory help and 10-20% need ICU treatment
20:02:25 <sarang> wow
20:02:27 <rottensox> damn.
20:02:28 <sarang> :(
20:02:57 * sarang will stay indoors today
20:03:27 <UkoeHB_> sarang in Italy confirmed, doxing himself
20:03:30 <Inge-> all numbers tentative - and probably depends upon how good the testing has been
20:04:07 <Inge-> But it seems italy is closing all schools in the nation for a couple of weeks (following Japan who did the same - until end of april)
20:05:23 <Inge-> At 2% fatality rate you are 20x the flu rate
20:05:57 <sgp_> it's not good
20:06:33 <rehrar> sarang, try out the virtual reality space
20:06:58 <rehrar> midipoet: you too
20:09:12 <midipoet> rehrar: my connection got closed unexpectedly. what was the "you too" refferring to?
20:10:11 <nioc> midipoet: yes
20:10:34 <nioc> midipoet = you too
20:10:36 <rehrar> try the silly VR thing
20:10:41 <rehrar> lol nioc!
20:10:44 <rehrar> nioc you try also
20:10:50 <rehrar> we'll have a meetup there or something silly
20:10:57 <midipoet> rehrar: i used to do strange things in VR worlds. i am scared i will get flashbacks
20:10:59 <nioc> what m i trying
20:11:11 <nioc> how 2 do it
20:11:13 <rehrar> nioc: https://altvr.com it's free, and doesn't need a VR set.
20:11:29 <midipoet> what's wrong with SecondLife?
20:11:32 <rehrar> you just install it on the computer and you can use it. I'll meet you on there. I've been trying to set up a space where we can do Monero meet ups.
20:11:46 <midipoet> you should build a Monero village rehrar
20:11:49 <rehrar> midipoet: I literally found this thing like three days ago man. :P I don't know the alternatives and what their pros and cons are.
20:12:23 <midipoet> oh SecondLife is the original, but it's probably so outdated now. plus. there were some weird places in there
20:12:36 <nioc> do I choose 2D or windows
20:12:43 <rehrar> 2D nioc
20:12:51 <rehrar> are you on Windows or Linux?
20:13:04 <rehrar> midipoet: I just googled it. ajs mentioned it earlier too but I didn't look into it.
20:13:10 <rehrar> I mean, if people like that one better...? :P
20:13:15 <midipoet> do we know what the privacy is like in these worlds? last i heard they were gathering behavioural data (no joke)
20:13:20 <asymptotically> isn't secondlife the furry one?
20:13:21 <nioc> windows, do I need a camera?
20:13:39 <rehrar> nioc, no camera needed.
20:14:18 <midipoet> they can see what grabs your attention, what colours/shades you respond to, how you speal/converse in real time, etc
20:14:44 <midipoet> they can figure what cues you like, what cues you don't, what types of clothes you like for your avatar, etc and so on
20:15:19 <rehrar> it's a privacy nightmare!!!
20:15:21 <rottensox> will we ever get back to normal? this mass surveillance sure undermines all our decisions.
20:15:25 <rottensox> F
20:15:38 <rehrar> rottensox: I don't suppose you'd be down to try it?
20:16:01 <rehrar> casual meetup or conference, doesn't matter. There's a group there that can be shilled to.
20:16:02 <midipoet> rottensox: as long as we stay irrational market participants, the marketeers will always be trying to manipulate us
20:16:24 <rottensox> rehrar: i may consider it... but not so certain, yet.
20:16:35 <rottensox> i'll look deeper into it first.
20:17:00 <sgp_> honestly in my case,I wish the avatar was more customizable since people already know what I look like
20:17:13 <rehrar> ok, yeah, take a look. Doesn't require anything special, and you can even just leave the thing that represents you as a robot
20:17:16 <sgp_> I can't yell and embarrass people I recognize from across the room
20:17:23 <rottensox> midipoet: proprietary software and surveillance capitalism. it's a two-way street: either the government wants to follow every single step we take, or companies want to profit off of our data.
20:20:02 <nioc> I have proven myself once again
20:20:04 <nioc> I downloaded it and it won't open
20:21:31 <rehrar> Nioc, windows? Linux?
20:21:50 <nioc> windows
20:22:05 <rehrar> 10?
20:22:10 <nioc> y
20:22:21 <nioc> trying again
20:22:26 <rehrar> Hmmm. Maybe you can try to use it via steam?
20:22:49 <nioc> wat is steam
20:22:56 <nioc> I am a lost cause
20:23:20 <rehrar> It's ok. I can help you. :)
20:23:26 <Inge-> first you need a kettle with water and a heat source
20:23:31 <rottensox> lol.
20:24:24 <nioc> no micro wave?
20:24:26 <nioc> check
20:24:58 <nioc> it goes into my downloads folder but can't do anything with it from there
20:25:20 <rehrar> https://store.steampowered.com/
20:25:31 <rehrar> Wait no. Sec.
20:25:33 <nioc> do I need an account there?
20:25:40 <rehrar> Yes
20:26:44 <nioc> hmm
20:27:47 <rehrar> If you're not comfortable with an account, then it won't work. But that's ok. :)
20:27:51 <rehrar> It's not urgent.
20:29:01 <nioc> thx
20:47:54 <SerHack> Thanks for moving my CCS to funding required!
20:48:49 <lza_menace> howdy - I updated my CCS proposal based on feedback I got and posted to reddit: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/fdjgvr/ccs_proposal_monero_merchant_web_store/
20:48:49 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [CCS Proposal] Monero Merchant Web Store (self.Monero) | 1 points (100.0%) | 0 comments | Posted by catacombkid1 | Created at 2020-03-04 - 20:47:54
20:49:08 <lza_menace> just sharing with you irc people
20:49:34 <rottensox> SerHack: <3.
20:50:23 <asymptotically> SerHack: I think nioc and M5M400 have a bet, the loser has to send 1 xmr to your proposal :D
20:51:33 <Inge-> win-win for him :D
20:54:16 <SerHack> I love this type of bet
21:08:46 <M5M400> nioc: double or nothin'? :P
21:10:48 <rottensox> wild m5m trying to get 2 sweet maroros.
21:15:07 <nioc> M5M400: monero to zero wen
21:15:30 <M5M400> nevarrrrr
21:44:03 <rehrar> One of the admins of AltVR is interested in Monero. So I set up a slide deck for how to use the Monero wallet.
21:44:14 <rehrar> I'll give the first Monero VR presentation sometime soon.
21:52:11 <M5M400> VR is the future. like curved TVs
21:55:06 <M5M400> SerHack: enjoy
21:55:34 <SerHack> M5M400: thank you <3 <3 <3
21:58:05 <rehrar> M5M400: it doesn't require a headset
21:58:36 <M5M400> #technology
22:01:51 <rehrar> Imagine if IRC didn't require IRC.
22:04:58 <sgp_> rehrar: I'm happy to review :)
22:05:29 <rehrar> I'll do a pre-presentation tonight. Sneak preview for true Moronons
23:17:02 <lza_menace> people on twitter are so obnoxious
23:17:31 <lza_menace> I'll never understand the mindset
23:17:50 <rottensox> elaborate?
23:17:57 <lza_menace> https://twitter.com/xmroutreach/status/1234848322034139136
23:17:58 <monerobux> [ Monero Outreach on Twitter: "Dandelion++ stops bad actors from linking your IP address to your Monero transactions. https://t.co/GzvKhgVkYR" ] - twitter.com
23:18:47 <lza_menace> instead of just going, "oh cool, good for them" people are super eager to come on shit on it cuz "we did it first (kinda)"
23:18:52 <rottensox> a bunch of digibyte shills?
23:18:53 <lza_menace> so tribal
23:18:55 <lza_menace> yeah
23:19:24 <rottensox> welcome to crypto twitter. if you think there it is too obnoxious, don't spend too much time on irc or your perspective may change.
23:25:08 <lza_menace> wget https://raw.githubusercontent.com/stakater/Reloader/master/deployments/kubernetes/manifests/role.yaml
23:25:19 <lza_menace> oops