03:51:24 <heatsinkid> rehrar, what your fave application for this vr ?
03:52:46 <heatsinkid> maybe vr will become ordinary things in this decade
04:46:39 <rehrar> I don't own a vr thing. I just use the computer.
05:42:57 <heatsinkid> rehrar, so you mean virtual conference at vr chat platform. right?
06:03:48 <rehrar> Yes. But this particular VR game doesn't require a VR headset and it's free.
06:03:53 <rehrar> Download it and try it out.
06:48:23 <heatsinkid> rehrar, any link ?
06:49:19 <heatsinkid> https://www.vrchat.com/ -> ok ?
06:51:42 <rehrar> heatsinkid: yes
06:52:08 <rehrar> there's a lot of weirdos in there, and I only spent about 25 minutes in the "game", so I couldn't tell you the ins and outs of the place.
06:52:29 <rehrar> But it seems people are free to make and share their own worlds with their own rules, so I don't see why we couldn't make a conference room.
07:06:27 <heatsinkid> look like need steam or occulus application.
07:08:12 <rehrar> oof sorry
07:08:14 <rehrar> is that a problem heatsinkid ?
07:13:21 <rehrar> since the game is free, and a steam account is free, people that want to be incognito can use a newly generated email to make a steam account to join?
08:15:07 <xmrmatterbridge> <ajs> it reminds me of Second Life
09:30:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <baltsar777> VR meeting is cool!
09:30:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <baltsar777> Can you use the mobile phone as VR?
09:31:00 <xmrmatterbridge> <baltsar777> Maybe we can have a meeting in Eve Online? 😎
09:31:06 <xmrmatterbridge> <baltsar777> It's free.
09:41:10 <Inge-> KonferencoVR ?
10:09:43 <Snipa> Man, other eve players that do Monero things.  I approve.
10:15:04 <asymptomatically> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/130/diffs
10:15:12 <asymptomatically> ^ wouldn't it be better to package mooo's updater tool?
10:32:41 <dEBRUYNE> asymptomatically: Perhaps the person can do both?
16:35:07 <rehrar> ajs, baltsar777, Inge- want to meet me in the VR place?
16:35:54 <Inge-> I'd love to - but not ready today.
16:37:29 <nioc> rehrar: I prefer IRL, booking a flight now
16:37:59 <rehrar> nioc, come to NM. :)
16:39:05 <nioc> If only I was free :(
16:40:40 <asymptomatically> vr place? wen VR meeting
16:45:22 <rehrar> asymptomatically: 15 min?
16:46:01 <rehrar> Snipa join us
16:46:26 <rehrar> Inge- not ready to make yourself vulnerable in front of your peers?
16:46:45 <asymptomatically> oh you actually meant playing a VR game together?
16:48:08 <asymptomatically> i did try a game called vrchat once, along with some others. i thought that i'd projectile vomit everywhere but it's pretty alright
16:48:19 <sgp_> How to complain and blame the system for a problem rather than address it directly: https://twitter.com/matt_odell/status/1234514628115341313
16:48:19 <monerobux> [ Matt Odell on Twitter: "Have received multiple reports that @TheRealBlockFi is flagging deposits with coinjoin history. Majority of flags have been for utxos that interacted with Wasabi's fixed fee ad ] - twitter.com
16:48:22 <asymptomatically> would still have to rate it as gimmick/10 though, it didn't make me want to run out any buy one
16:49:45 <rehrar> asymptomatically: that's the one. VRChat. But you don't need a VR headset for it. Just a computer. VR is optional.
17:15:00 <needmonero90> We need some art that does a play on randomX/RX/Prescription for decentralization
17:16:07 <rehrar> Will you hop on there with me needmonero90 ?
17:16:44 <needmonero90> I'm about to get food because I have a craving only bagels can satisfy
17:17:03 <needmonero90> But after, sure
17:17:20 <needmonero90> Prolly won't set up my VR, means I have to move my couch against the wall
17:17:31 <needmonero90> And the wall has stuff already on the floor
17:17:36 <needmonero90> So it's a whole thing
17:24:06 <kinghat> https://getsession.org/
19:13:58 <rehrar> Session is from Loki isn't it?
19:14:08 <rehrar> Worth looking into? How does the blockchain play into it?
19:21:21 <kinghat> havent played yet
19:31:48 <sgp_> rehrar: I can play with it after work if you like
19:31:54 <sgp_> it looks cool
19:32:14 <rehrar> Sure
19:32:26 <rehrar> Session isn't a game though. :P
19:32:32 <rehrar> Kinghat ^
19:33:59 <kinghat> 👋
19:34:46 <sgp_> messaging apps: gotta collect them all
19:35:45 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: like dem pokemons
19:36:06 <sgp_> I still haven't figured out how to use the keybase bridge
19:36:11 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: (or dem altcoins)
19:37:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh, that's not an official bridge, its not bridged to any official monero keybase either, well, except the #monero-research-lab channel
19:38:11 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: which is over that keybase team: https://keybase.io/team/monerocommunity
19:38:36 <kinghat> is there official discord monero?
19:39:02 <kinghat> im in one but only has 3 IRC relays, is that the one?
19:39:16 <sgp_> I think so, and I think the relays don't even work there
19:39:41 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: the one with rehrar that manages it over there: https://discordapp.com/invite/XVKK6hX
19:40:15 <rehrar> "manages"
19:40:26 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: from what i understood they used to work but he took them down to fix a few things or somethin
19:40:40 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 😛
19:41:04 <rehrar> Mattermost and Discord were using the same system. We got mattermost bridge to a stable place before discord but then after adding discord it kept disconnecting again.
19:41:21 <rehrar> We decided to take down the discord relays for a while so mattermost can be stable again.
19:41:29 <rehrar> We'll fix it one of these years.
19:41:39 <rehrar> kinghat will join us on the VRChat?
19:41:44 <rehrar> Kayla you too.
19:41:45 <sgp_> what other infra stuff is ongoing?
19:42:15 <rehrar> Infra on hold. Pigeons is busy.
19:42:16 <kinghat> VR chat?
19:42:31 <rehrar> I want to find an alternative infra person to handle external infra stuff.
19:42:42 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: i dont have any VR thingy in here, considering it cause the 3d stuff might be fun tho so "one of these years" 😄
19:42:45 <rehrar> So we can have getmonero ones and monero.social ones
19:43:19 <rehrar> VR chat doesn't require VR. You can use it on a regular computer.
19:43:23 <rehrar> I also don't have a VR set.
19:43:29 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh 😮
19:43:46 <rehrar> Yes. And kinghat read the backlog
19:43:56 <rehrar> I was thinking if putting a conference together in a virtual space.
19:44:18 <sgp_> something to consider for the moneroversary activities. being serious
19:44:21 <rehrar> We can do presentations and stuff, and get good speakers (because we don't have to fly them out or pay for travel), and have attendees and stuff.
19:44:41 <rehrar> Yeah, kayla, check it out. I just discovered it a couple of days ago.
19:45:03 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: will do and seems like a good idea 🙂
19:45:04 <rehrar> https://www.vrchat.com/
19:45:25 <rehrar> Me and sgp are going to hop on later this afternoon and explore. Join us!
19:45:36 <rehrar> Maybe needmoney90 too
19:45:54 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh right, still require steam tho, i dont have it 😢
19:46:03 <kinghat> i have one of those google headsets where you put your phone into it i think. somewhere around here.
19:46:52 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: the google cardboard? :3
19:46:56 <kinghat> dont think that would work though.
19:47:03 <rehrar> I thought it didn't require steam?
19:47:29 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: idk, maybe not, am just seeing "play on steam" and "play on occulus"
19:47:33 <kinghat> slightly more advanced, Kayla. it has cloth around it 😁
19:47:44 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh, fancy :3
19:47:57 <sgp_> I don't even have google cardboard
19:48:59 <kinghat> i used it once a couple years ago and put it away in drawer
19:49:18 <kinghat> thats a funny word, drawer.
19:50:25 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: to draw things from it, duh x)
19:50:41 <rehrar> I was wrong. Just did some research. Steam is needed.
19:50:52 <rehrar> That's....kind of disappointing?
19:51:06 <rehrar> Is there any other things like this that don't require steam for those that don't want to use it?
19:51:12 <rehrar> ajs mentioned one. Let me find it.
19:53:34 <rehrar> Second life and I also found altvr
19:53:37 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: tbh, most people prob already have stream, i just never got the use for it thats all
19:54:06 <rehrar> I didn't have steam before Monero nerds made me get it to play games with them.
19:54:26 <rehrar> And maybe super opsec people don't either.
19:54:38 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: they even used to accept crypto apparently to buy games but removed the option i think end of 2017 cause too many market fluctuations
19:55:35 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: right
19:56:07 <rehrar> AltVR seems to be standalone. Steam not required.
19:56:23 <rehrar> 2D option on PC. I think some people can even join via phone.
19:57:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: ```Available wherever you are, for free
19:57:14 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: We support HTC Vive; Oculus Rift, Go, and Quest; Samsung GearVR; Windows Mixed Reality; and 2D Mode on PC.```
19:57:29 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: seems nice yeah 🙂
19:58:44 <rehrar> I'll give it a go and stream it if people are interested in how it looks.
19:59:01 <rehrar> The only other thing I can think of is people not thrilled about using voice.
19:59:08 <rehrar> I wonder if there is text options.
19:59:22 <rehrar> Or maybe they can just use voice changers?
19:59:48 <kinghat> Kayla, how is that discord bridge working if its not working in that discord chat?
19:59:52 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: right, text is kind of a must imo to share things like links or w/e
20:00:24 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: am on an other discord but using matterbridge, hosting them in here, if rehrar interested i could get them up in his discord as well
20:00:48 <rehrar> I can start a poll. If there was a requirement for using mic to attend the conference would it:
20:01:12 <rehrar> a) Be a hard no
20:01:12 <rehrar> b) I could be persuaded
20:01:14 <kinghat> i dont really care i was just cornfused
20:01:19 <rehrar> c) doesn't matter. Will attend.
20:01:23 <rehrar> d) unsure
20:01:33 <rehrar> Kinghat what's your answer? :D
20:01:41 <kinghat> on what?
20:01:58 <rehrar> Above poll for virtual conference with a mic requirement
20:02:02 <rehrar> And Kayla also
20:02:08 <rehrar> You guys don't have to answer though. :P
20:02:38 <rehrar> e) rather not say
20:02:47 <asymptomatically> f) all of the above
20:02:53 <sgp_> f) rather not say "rather not say" :p
20:03:00 <kinghat> isnt my virtual body enough for you?
20:03:01 <sgp_> we definitely would need some restrictions on who can speak at specific times
20:03:01 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: used to have mic thingies, didnt mind at the time with like gaming on teamspeak, mumble, even used skype like a decade ago or so but prob threw it away since it died, would have to get a new one eventually, wasnt really in the priority list to buy lately thats all x)
20:03:04 <kinghat> also, i dont have a mic.
20:03:42 <rehrar> Lol
20:03:44 <asymptomatically> i also don't have a mic anymore. i bought the cheapest one on amazon a few years ago, but it broke after approx. 3 minutes of usage
20:04:02 <rehrar> I will sponsor a mic for the three of you. :P
20:04:14 <rehrar> So I can test some things out. If you send me an XMR address.
20:04:52 <sgp_> vtnerd: buy a mic before the coffee chat on Saturday!
20:04:59 <rehrar> vtnerd!!
20:05:17 <asymptomatically> rehrar: i'll have to pass since vrchat only supports windows :'(
20:05:29 <rehrar> AltVR though? Let me check.
20:05:30 <kinghat> are you trying to harvest me voice?
20:05:45 <kinghat> i gotz no windowz
20:06:32 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: right, was wondering if could set up a windows vm and maybe do a gpu passthrough + audio passhtrough as well XD
20:07:13 <rehrar> So it looks like AltVR is Windows or Android only. Ick.
20:08:02 <rehrar> Intel i5, 4GB ram, DX9 compatible dedicated GPU, 1GB memory needed for 2D PC.
20:08:48 <rehrar> Those are min requirements, I guess.
20:09:30 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> [MONERO ALIGNED] FLOSS VR chat software for immersive shitposting
20:09:42 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 😹
20:09:45 <rehrar> Mission critical, fund immediately.
20:09:50 <asymptomatically> sent!
20:10:50 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: but... can you effectively shitpost in VR tho? 😛
20:11:07 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> My experience of vr chat is a hard YES
20:11:16 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: oh x)
20:11:46 <rehrar> https://linuxhint.com/vrchat_linux/
20:12:53 <rehrar> https://www.protondb.com/app/438100
20:12:58 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: sweet, less hassle doing that windows thingy 😛
20:13:11 <rehrar> Read second article. I think it's even easier.
20:13:47 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Installation guide has 16 bulletpoints
20:14:31 <rehrar> Lol. I'll try to install it on my Linux computer and let you know.
20:15:03 <rehrar> Kayla, can you do the whole IRC discord relays?
20:15:47 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: sure, should be fast to do
20:16:01 <rehrar> You need to be an admin or something, right?
20:16:08 <rehrar> I'll do that in just a sec.
20:16:15 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: just to invite the bot i think
20:16:46 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> I know nothing about how bridges work but does having this many make moderation more difficult in theory?
20:17:22 <rehrar> You can just silence the bridges and everyone on the other side will be sad.
20:18:22 <asymptomatically> if you ask freenode nicely and use identd you can probably make a bridge that has 1:1 users
20:18:50 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: in my discord got it setup so that only people that assigned themselves manually the xmr role can talk so it avoids the usual spamming bots that dont bother doing that extra step to be a pain but some other scenarios can always happen too, for now seems to be okay
20:29:24 <nioc> rehrar: virtual fluffy hugs just don't cut it
20:31:23 <rehrar> Kayla that seems sane. We don't want IRC which has no way to delete things, to be overrun by the spam.
20:31:36 <SerHack> could anyone move my ccs request to funding required? https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/125 <3
21:07:07 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: test
21:23:22 <rehrar> guiz
21:23:25 <rehrar> it works with linux
21:24:32 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: sweet 🙂
21:30:57 <rehrar> someone try it with me!!!
21:34:33 <rehrar> you people are a bunch of dorks :P
21:35:15 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 😿
22:59:35 <needmonero90> rehrar wen
23:06:33 <rehrar> Gotta go lift. Then be back.
23:07:56 <kinghat> gonna do your bum busters?
23:20:54 <nioc> earlier there was mention of using steem for vr or something?
23:20:57 <nioc> https://twitter.com/BlockDXExchange/status/1234522682198298624?s=19
23:20:57 <monerobux> [ Block DX on Twitter: "BREAKING: There are reports that the $STEEM blockchain has been taken over by @justinsuntron and @cz_binance in a hostile manner It appears they used customers’ $STEEM from @bi ] - twitter.com