00:16:31 did I say 100GB of videos? I meant 244 GB :) 11:30:53 what do you think about cloudflare onion dns services? can we trust this? https://blog.cloudflare.com/cloudflare-onion-service/ 11:33:45 i wouldn't use anything from mitmflare 11:34:50 although the Alt-Svc header used by tor browser seems nice, i didn't know it existed 11:45:48 asymptotically, its not activated by default. but can check at about:config network.trr 12:14:00 asymptotically, sorry i think miss perception with you. look like what you talk is about onion alts service header when user open a cloudflare website from their tor browser . sorry :D 12:30:47 -xmr-pr- [css-proposals] adrelanos opened pull request #130: Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years 12:30:47 -xmr-pr- > https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/130 14:47:43 rottensox: must be the dump of Onlyfans 15:10:35 Inge-: lol. 15:49:57 Community meeting in about 1 hour 16:05:56 .time 16:05:57 2020-02-29 - 16:05:56 16:22:07 .in 39 minutes meeting time! :o 16:22:07 asymptotically: Okay, will remind at 2020-02-29 - 17:01:07 17:00:28 meeting time! 17:00:43 What's a meeting 17:00:47 rehrar rottensox hyc ErCiccione[m] needmonero90 17:00:59 0. Introduction 17:01:02 Sarang suraeNoether 17:01:04 We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting! 17:01:08 asymptotically: meeting time! :o 17:01:10 Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/442 17:01:16 Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. 17:01:22 1. Greetings 17:01:24 hi fam! 17:01:26 Hi 17:01:27 Isthmus M5M400 17:01:41 Howdy 17:01:48 Hello! 17:02:01 oh a ping. thx 17:03:05 I'm here 17:03:12 reminder that until the Monero Outreach calendar is finished, you can add this one (Google, eww): https://calendar.google.com/calendar/embed?src=itmaraubkfoe4aq2oquoaogsuk%40group.calendar.google.com&ctz=UTC 17:03:26 it has default reminders 17:03:43 thanks everyone for being here! 17:03:45 2. Community highlights 17:03:50 See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com 17:03:55 We should play a game later today. Conversation after the meeting. 17:04:12 I’m soft announcing our new home! https://communityworkgroup.org. We can use this page to more easily organize Monero Community Workgroup resources going forward. If we have time during open ideas, I’d love to hear your ideas! Putting this aside otherwise for now. 17:04:40 I published most of the 36c3 videos to YouTube a few hours/seconds ago! Surprise! I’ll spend time after the meeting organizing them and uploading a few stragglers: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsSYUeVwrHBn07zTBg7fGHRW5Kn_Z3FJL 17:04:41 [ Chaos Communication Congress 2019 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 17:04:59 You can share individual videos, but I don’t recommend sharing the playlist yet. It’s too ugly and disorganized currently. 17:05:09 I seen they were coming out sgp_ - very nice! 17:05:35 244 GB up and down yesterday, my ISP loves me :) 17:05:37 Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share? 17:05:59 I quite my job? 17:06:02 quit 17:06:15 Oh, Monero related... sorry. 17:06:25 congrats anyway 17:06:28 Hello community 17:06:32 haha I probably should specify, but congrats! 17:06:42 i'm developing a new open source pool software, it doesn't really have any shiny cool features but maybe it will be nice for people to have a new choice :D 17:06:56 Seriously asymptotically ? 17:06:58 Awesome! 17:07:07 asymptotically: nice. can you also create a miner that is NOT xmrig or stak? 17:07:16 With decentralising features like what jtgrassie made? 17:07:21 M5M400, RagerX ? 17:07:23 Whatever that was called 17:07:33 stratum-ss? i was looking into that but it doesn't support it yet 17:08:06 what about the GUI? 17:08:08 GUI has a miner. 17:08:17 i thought it just used the daemon one 17:08:30 Apparently most of the pool operators haven't got a clue how to implement it, so if it was plug and play it would do a lot of good 17:08:31 isnt that a miner that isnt rig or stak? 17:09:13 Especially with all that FUD about 2 pools dominating a little while back 17:09:32 needmonero90: probably, but an independent one would be nice 17:10:06 I don't think the gui miner supports pools at all, iirc 17:10:44 sgp_: fifth paragraph here, think has as minor typo... https://www.communityworkgroup.org/about '... This channel hosts the Monero Konferenco, Critical Decentralization Cluster as the Chaos Communication Congress' shouldn't it be at, not as? 'at the Chaos Communication Congress.' 17:11:02 rottensox: yes 17:11:24 I'll also change all "Decentralization" -> "Decentralisation" 17:11:58 thanks for brining that up asymptotically 17:12:15 Any other updates? 17:12:18 Monero-related :) 17:12:19 Isn't that a US/UK spelling thing? 17:12:34 it is. :-D 17:12:36 cankerwort yes but the organizers use the s 17:12:43 No, we need the z 17:12:45 Fair enough 17:12:51 rehrar: lol 17:12:54 internal war here 17:12:55 Or we can fight over it 17:13:12 We have a lot of CCS updates to get through, so for the interest of time, there's a small rule change. 17:13:25 Please comment if you have a workgroup report by messaging “Workgroup Update: [workgroup name]” any time before part 4 of the meeting, or else your workgroup section may be skipped. 17:13:26 You two can start a reddit thread and fight over it there 17:13:28 Yes everything seems to be fully funded 17:13:43 3. CCS updates 17:13:47 Funding required: 17:13:52 All proposals in funding required are fully-funded! 17:13:57 Ideas (to be discussed): 17:13:58 wow 17:14:03 * sgp_ clears throat 17:14:10 A Monero-centric Merchant Marketplace (70 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/117 17:14:35 we discussed this one a while back, but I don't think we've had a recent conversation 17:14:49 please move SerHack 's request to funding required 17:15:37 .....anyone have anything to say about this marketplace proposal? 17:15:37 i think its a good idea, but i think a better community solution would be a self-hosted open source thingy you can just set up with one command and you get your own store 17:16:18 oh wow 17:16:21 So it's like Monero flavoured Shopify? 17:16:28 That'd be awesome 17:16:49 UkoeHB_ was crossing roads with this idea when working on multisig for ZtM v2 and the recent rbrunner7 idea of having a XMR-like OpenBazaar alternative. 17:16:49 like how you can use monero-integrations with some wordpress things, and you control everything yourself. but it's probably not the easiest thing to get going 17:17:30 i suggest making the proposal more concrete 17:17:31 Monero-Integrations is very easy... The only thing that may be hard for a new person is the view only wallet. 17:17:38 seems kinda vague 17:17:40 Open source and self-hosted would be nice, but people are lazy and would like to pay a third party to do all the work for them (hence shopify) 17:17:54 all code developed is open source, right? 17:17:59 meaning anyone would be able to deploy this shopify 17:17:59 no. lol. 17:18:08 Mochi101: but you have to manage wordpress and other tear inducing things 17:18:09 I mean for this marketplace 17:18:13 That's the important question 17:18:55 well it's a non-starter if it's not, so maybe we need to clarify that first 17:19:01 can someone comment asking that? 17:19:03 If the dude publishes the code so people cam do it themselves, but also starts a business managing and doing all the work for those that want that that would be ideal 17:19:53 That way continued work could be sustained (maybe) 17:20:43 lza_menace lza_menace[m] was that you or that's someone else's proposal? 17:21:09 @lalanza808 on gitlab 17:21:26 anyway, I think we can move on since there are outstanding questions 17:21:41 Mining outreach, Ministo (40 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/124 17:22:01 no 17:22:02 Yes 17:22:27 lza_menace[m]: can you confirm if your marketplace code will all be open-source 17:22:28 I don't care about this one either way. 17:22:36 I don't like that proposal. 17:22:37 .seen ministo 17:22:37 asymptotically: I last saw ministo at 2018-05-15 - 22:42:21 in another channel. 17:22:41 contact data centers and suggest that they mine/ 17:22:42 ? 17:22:46 No 17:22:49 yeah nioc 17:22:49 I think the mining one is way too expensive for a start 17:23:14 against. 17:23:21 maybe it would be better if he partnered with a pool or something 17:23:35 I don't think this even needs outreach tbh 17:23:44 asymptotically: that's a decent idea, pool provides referral fee or something 17:24:15 I also think 99% of the responses will be "no" 17:24:37 sgp_: yes, the code would all be open sourced. The goal would be to setup a foundation for a web shop that anybody could spin up and run their own. If people wanted to run a legitimate business doing it, they would have the tools to do so 17:25:18 Let's take a step back and continue on the marketplace discussion since we got answers. We need to make a recommendation to core. It's about time. 17:25:34 I like the sound of that a lot 17:25:35 sure rehrar 17:26:35 since this went up a month ago, the price has changed? would that need to be edited lza_menace[m] ? 17:26:39 if so, to what? 17:27:38 I’m fine to leave it 17:27:52 the monero is currently worth about $4,800 17:28:12 meh, I'm down for it. 17:29:55 I think in any case, lza_menace[m] will need to make another round of marketing since it's been a while 17:29:58 I normally do $100/hour for consulting gigs, but this will likely take more than 48 hours. I’m okay to eat some of that though 17:30:19 Ok, I can do another reddit post 17:30:33 Monero people generally dont charge market price for their services 17:33:30 $100/hr is very high for a fun side project someone can work on at their own schedule. Same with even $50 frankly 17:33:41 let's get a bit more feedback from the reddit post, but overall I see this as fine. 17:34:35 okay, anything else before I move to the next one rehrar? 17:35:19 sgp_: this will likely be way more than 48 hours is what I’m saying. It will end up being much less than my going rate because it is a fun side project. 17:35:30 no, mov eon 17:35:36 You guys missed the point of me saying that 17:35:42 lza_menace[m]: got it, thanks 17:36:20 let's finish up the mining outreach one 17:36:26 https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/124 17:36:35 most people thought it wasn't worth supporting, correct? 17:36:43 it seems most present are fairly negative towards it 17:37:24 unless this person is a sales genius with good existing connections, I can't see how this is valuable 17:37:52 and even then, there are other ways to go about it 17:38:06 next one 17:38:09 Monero Integrations part 3, serhack (10 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/125 17:38:13 move? 17:38:18 Y 17:38:24 anyone against? 17:38:32 ye 17:38:46 Hey guys! I have edited the price, asking for 11 xmr instead of 10. Does anyone have problem with that? 17:39:08 rehrar: is that a serious comment? 17:39:09 I love Monero-Integrations 17:39:20 No problem with price change 17:39:28 oh, it wasn't a ye to what you said 17:39:33 it was an answer to "move?" 17:39:36 no problem, support SerHack 100% 17:39:38 ah, got it :) 17:39:41 I have to pay taxes but this week I'll be focused on Monero Integrations since lessons are suspended here! 17:39:56 eww, I thought that was mostly a US problem lol 17:40:01 Oh, cool! Thanks for supporting me! 17:40:33 rehrar: pass along strong support (as expected) 17:40:44 will do 17:40:49 SerHack: did you update the price on there for 11 yet? 17:40:53 If anyone has any additional question, don't be shy to ask! 17:41:19 sgp_ I think yes 17:41:34 ok, next one then 17:41:41 Add new file (payment integration), pricode (30 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/126 17:41:49 here's another similar proposal 17:42:21 the details are quite light imo 17:42:37 As I reported on Gitlab, this CCS request has been created three minutes after I've created mine. It looked suspicious 17:43:19 seems like a no? it was initially closed and commented by rehrar. rather sketchy they open it up again, not following format even... 17:44:13 lol! 17:44:34 I mean, this payment gateway he is proposing seems to be different than Monero Integrations 17:44:53 if he says "image (sic) stripe" which is a cross-platform dealio 17:45:20 I think a "stripe" of Monero would be cool, but given his inability to format the proposal correctly (When instructions are easily available and simple to follow) doesn't give me high confidence in his ability to actually make it. 17:45:46 you mean i cant just ctrl+s the stripe webpage and edit it? 17:45:48 shouldnt we let the donors decide that??1?!one!? 17:46:18 any final comments on this one, or close for not enough info? 17:46:21 close. 17:46:22 I will comment on this proposal and let him know it's improperly formatted and ask him to attend the next community meeting where he might share some of his expertise and/or credentials. 17:46:54 ok, next (skipping a bit) 17:46:55 Norwegian translation of webplate + footers + nav. Menu, Chris Avis (6 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/129 17:48:07 anyone for or against? speak up! 17:48:39 for 17:48:57 sure 17:49:24 ok, next 17:49:33 2 more 17:49:35 Monero Debian Package Repository for 2 years, Patrick Schleizer (60 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/130 17:50:17 Whonix founder wants these funds to make a debian package repo 17:50:32 People have talked about a Debian repository for a long time, and this seems like the guy to do it. Ready, willing, and capable. 17:50:46 Solidifies good relationship with Whonix peeps too. They like us. 17:51:11 Is the amount fair? I have no clue tbh 17:51:44 2000 for a week? 17:52:28 I too have no idea what goes into packaging. 17:52:30 he refers to the bitcoin AppImage boing added; how is that process similar? 17:52:35 *being 17:52:54 and did someone pay for this 17:52:54 I particularly like that it's not hosted on getmonero infra though. :D 17:53:36 the problem with hosting external packages is that it has to come from an trusted external source. I can't think of more trusted names in privacy than Whonix. 17:53:40 I'd like to see some knowledgeable people comment and ask questions before this is moved 17:53:40 What do you mean did someone pay for this? 17:54:12 did someone pay for the bitcoin debian package? or is that not comparable? I don't know 17:55:48 anyway, we can keep moving 17:56:00 last CCS idea 17:56:01 [Monero Aligned] Proposal for 1M5 Integration as Proxy, Brian Taylor (150 XMR) https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/-/merge_requests/127 17:57:00 ErCiccione added some comments suggesting they felt the proposal needed work 17:57:16 this was first pitched to Bisq 17:57:27 (who couldn't pay) 17:58:56 the main milestone seems to be "Implement 1M5 API to support Monero transactions and document" 17:58:58 he came into -dev recently and explained himself 17:59:14 nioc: cool, can you paste the relevant logs in the repo? 17:59:26 I’m against the proposal at the current stage. 18:00:11 sgp_: I might be able to, dunno 18:00:22 so...in comes all of the [Monero Aligned] proposals then? 18:00:26 it also looks like many things on their website are proposed/in development. 18:00:43 though this one directly relates to Monero more, it seems. 18:00:59 what was the consensus in -dev? 18:01:11 there was a conversation but the proposal was not updated 18:01:31 ok, but what was discussed in this conversation? :P at very least can we have a date of the logs so I Can look myself? 18:01:33 It makes no sense to implement 1M5 at this stage. 18:01:36 it seems we can table this one for now. 18:01:58 rehrar: will have to look 18:02:05 selsta: good point that in general this could be putting the cart well before the horse 18:02:12 anyway, done with CCS stuff 18:02:36 not a single person said they wanted to give a workgroup update, so we can skkip over the entire section 4 18:02:49 I can give short GUI update 18:02:55 sure selsta 18:03:33 we will tag v0.15.0.4 today and Snipa has his build environment ready 18:03:39 so new release soon 18:03:41 rehrar: Feb 24 name is objectorange 18:03:50 * needmonero90 gets food and will be on sporadically for the rest of the meeting 18:03:51 yaaaay new gui 18:03:56 also we will probably release CLI/GUI v0.15.1.0 in March 18:03:58 wait, we have GUI now? 18:04:09 thank you nioc 18:04:12 with Dandelion if it gets reviewed in time 18:04:27 ooooh 18:04:30 selsta: maybe just push the tag back a bit then to get Dandelion in? 18:04:56 or is there some big bug fixes or something? what's the urgency before D++? 18:05:08 HackerOne disclosures 18:05:17 ah, gotcha 18:05:21 will see how to do it best 18:05:39 monero gui as unsafe as iota trinity wallet confirmed 18:05:52 * selsta afk again 18:05:56 rehrar: also some brief comments on the 26th 18:06:02 sarang you had something too? 18:06:46 Just a very brief update... worked on some code updates for CLSAG efficiency, hash function stuff, and transaction proofs 18:07:02 Nothing too exciting :) 18:07:12 oh gosh 18:07:15 I wanted to mention 18:07:58 There's a creative inquiry program at a couple of universities where projects like ours can propose a project for undergraduates to work on over a semester. no cost to us, as long as we get faculty members to sponsor the projects and we can meet with the students weekly 18:08:20 Deadline for Fall 2020 is March 25, and I wanted to bring it up but it's certainly not urgent 18:08:45 I'm working on a proposal with a faculty member at Clemson to get a couple of unpaid interns. 18:09:09 re-emphasize: no cost to us 18:09:44 suraeNoether: I'm happy to help here however needed 18:10:32 if folks have ideas for simple coding or math projects that can be done by newbies in 12-16 weeks, I'm starting a list 18:10:50 #MathIsFun 18:11:13 cool 18:11:27 I'm going to wrap up, but open ideas time is every time :) 18:11:37 6. Confirm next meeting date/time 18:11:40 The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 14 March at 17:00 UTC. 18:11:44 The next Coffee Chat is next week on 7 March at 17:00 UTC. 18:11:48 7. Conclusion 18:11:51 That’s all! Thanks for attending this Monero Community meeting, and we hope to see you on r/MoneroCommunity and #monero-community. Take care, and know that change starts with YOU. 18:12:05 Thanks peoples! 18:12:17 I'm going to make a late brunch, but when I come back I'm down to play some games or something 18:12:27 Spin the bottle? 18:12:27 enjoy 18:12:42 can't get good at spin the bottle unless you practice a lot at home, very slowly, like guitar 18:12:45 Mochi101: sure y not 18:12:53 over and over 18:12:56 suraeNoether: how many rpms do you practice with at home? 18:13:16 i use a metronome and keep it spinning at varying rates depending on my mood 18:13:28 sounds exciting 18:14:41 suraeNoether: while we have you here, don't refer to Kovri for networking stuff in the future. Just say Tor/i2p 18:14:54 .rip kovri 18:14:54 (X_X) ☜ (◉▂◉ ) we hardly knew ye 18:15:19 sgp_: k 18:15:47 -xmr-pr- [meta] SarangNoether opened issue #444: Research meeting: 4 March 2020 @ 18:00 UTC 18:15:47 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/444 18:16:36 Fun more meetings 18:22:48 Any game ideas? Want to play rehrar's game thing? 18:38:48 you apparently have rocket league 18:38:51 id be down for that 18:38:56 * needmonero90 goes back to altered carbon s2 18:47:20 Yes I will play rocket league 19:13:48 Sorry couldn't make it for the meeting, changed country today, just got internet. About 1M5, he is still looking for info and i think would be too eraly to vote on that proposal now, i think we can discuss it in the next meeting if there are updates 19:22:45 thanks ErCiccione[m] :) 19:24:12 does anyone else want to play rocket league except me and needmonero90? 19:31:08 sgp_, how? 19:31:29 heatsinkid: some monero gamers have a Discord 19:33:17 sgp_, ok. any discord link? 19:35:33 heatsinkid: https://discord.gg/6fXSBQ 19:35:59 needmonero90: IRC relays seem down there 19:36:34 I dont run those 19:36:49 joined voice 19:36:54 needmonero90: fix them 19:40:12 sgp_, "monero gui as unsafe as iota trinity wallet confirmed" --> what does this mean? serious bug? or just meme? 19:41:14 I think that sgp_ was merely joking 19:41:29 yes that's a joke 19:41:49 sgp_, sarang okay :D 19:42:04 Perhaps a bad time for such a joke 20:29:00 asymptotically: I originally intended for the “Monero-centric Marketplace” project to be a platform to host businesses. Do you think it makes more sense to have the project bootstrap an individual web store? I’m open to that. 20:31:18 imo that would be ideal, but still not everyone wants to manage a server 20:31:44 i think platforms like digitalocean have something where you can ship a full system image, so maybe one of those with everything preinstalled and set up for autoupdates would be good? 20:35:03 That would probably get more usage. I think it’s an improvement. I’ll amend the PR