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rehrar
Anyone who uses Signal is invited to download the new sticker pack: Isabella the Monero Girl
signal.art/addstickers/#pack_id=313…4c89dca267bae5ef5c450abe7a0058128a7
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sgp_
Sweet
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sgp_
Signal is amazing
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sarang
something something phone number
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dsc_
Will it run on my Nokia 3310?
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rehrar
wait!
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rehrar
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rehrar
the last one had a draft version of the cry sticker. This one is feature filled.
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kinghat
man i forgot how good tenacious d is
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asymptotically
binaryFate: do you run aeon.to?
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binaryFate
my company does yes
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binaryFate
not involved much myself
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asymptotically
oh nice, i just saw the post on reddit and noticed that it was very similar
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asymptotically
is it a bug that xmr.to is unusable in the UK, but aeon.to isn't?
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xmrwallet_xyz
Guys I released new MYmonero clone wallet ---> xmrwallet.xyz
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binaryFate
asymptotically not intended, thank you for reporting this
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sgp_
endogenic: hop in #monero-compliance
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sgp_
knowing "two-hop" or "customer's customer" does not ever suggest that this process needs to be done on-chain
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sgp_
nor does it suggest that on-chain surveillance is necessarily sufficient to meet this need
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> Is xmr.to blocked in any EU countries?
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> binaryFate: did you mean accidentally disabled in UK?
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> Also ToS for xmr.to says:
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> not located or resident in the United States, China, or any Blacklisted Jurisdictions (as defined below);
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xmrmatterbridge
<cankerwort> But never defines Blacklisted Jurisdictions
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dEBRUYNE
sgp_: What kind of process would be used off-chain then?
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sgp_
dEBRUYNE: first, keep in mind the context for all of these regulations: they were made with cash in mind
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sgp_
so knowing the customer's customer in that sense, if needed as a part of an enhanced customer due diligence (CDD) measure if risk risk is determined, could include the following depending on the circumstances (there is no clear "if this, then this" from the regulators):
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sgp_
it's "if maybe this, then maybe this"
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sgp_
bank statements, pay stubs, main contracts
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sgp_
first two are the most relevant for individuals
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sgp_
investment account statements
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sgp_
the process would involve manually collecting information about the source of funds and learning more about where they spend their money
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sgp_
on-chain can help with this of course
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dEBRUYNE
I see, and these kind of things would be helpful in case of Monero right?
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sgp_
but an individual's on-chain activity only shows so much about an Individual or Entity's entire financial dealings
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sgp_
yes, we have decades of compliance programs built to learn this info for cash
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sgp_
there are no additional restrictions on crypto from this perspective in the US (largest exception is the Bitlicense, but that doesn't have language that applies here)
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sgp_
it has language that is related to compliance, but it does not suggest on-chain is necessary to complete these objectives
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dEBRUYNE
So if I understand this correctly, if there is an XMR withdrawal or deposit that is determined high risk, the 'enhanced customer due diligence' could be invoked
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sgp_
yes absolutely, can happen with any asset
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dEBRUYNE
high risk or higher risk
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sgp_
in Parts 1010 and 1022
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sgp_
haha pasted in the wrong place, you have a preview of my ideas to come :p ^
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sgp_
The most relevant FinCEN regulations are parts 1010 and 1022
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sgp_
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sgp_
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sgp_
Whenever you see FinCEN guidance for crypto, it is effectively guidance on how to apply 1010 and 1022
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dEBRUYNE
Thanks, will read up on it
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sgp_
it's hard to read