10:51:21 <i_a> monerobux: hi, I am an electronic engineer nd I would like to help. How can I try?
10:54:54 <decent-username[> i_a: Start a company and create optimized hardware wallets for Monero. LOL
10:56:28 <decent-username[> i_a: But in all seriousness. Talking about Monero or creating guides is probably the easiest way to help.
11:04:12 <IRS> create a bot that pumps the price to $30,000.00 each
11:04:16 <IRS> .lenny
11:04:16 <monerobux> ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
11:05:35 <ErCiccione[m]> i_a: Hey. How would you like to help? Maybe you can be interested in the developement of Kastelo? The open source Monero hardware wallet. Or maybe something else, there is a lot that you could help with
11:16:00 <asymptotically> IRS: done! the price will now crash to $30K nigerian dollars per xmr
11:17:12 <IRS> asymptotically: \o/
12:04:06 <msvb-rtc[m]> ErCiccione[m]: Ivan Ahepjuk has already contributed to the work you recommended him, he's well informed. For example the OLED vendor used for the latest Kastelo Devkit design was his idea.
12:04:24 <msvb-rtc[m]> Good idea in any case, however. Thanks.
12:36:15 <ErCiccione[m]> oh ok, didn't know. Good then! :)
14:03:40 <sgp_> rehrar is running the meeting today. I'm out hiking!
15:16:48 <i_a> decent-username[: you are joking:P?
15:18:22 <i_a> ErCiccione[m]: Thank you for your answer, I was answering monerobux's message about a need for a help with locha network project.
15:19:03 <i_a> But I late realized that I am a bit late here:) so I sent him a pm.
15:20:55 <nioc> i_a: monerobux is a bot
15:21:07 <i_a> :D god
15:21:14 <nioc> are you sure that's who you wanted to respond to?
15:22:07 <asymptotically> he is a very good bot
15:22:08 <nioc> there are many bridges to irc which helps confuse messages
15:22:17 <nioc> asymptotically: yes she is
15:23:36 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Monerobux would have posted the link to summary of the project after the giy running it posted the link to the ccs. You can contact him via reddit on the posts about locha mesh.
15:40:55 <i_a> nioc: thank you:)
15:44:00 <needmonero90> Wen meeting
15:44:10 <needmonero90> rehrar
15:44:35 <msvb-rtc[m]> I'll miss the meeting just like sgp_ , at a security conference today.
15:46:55 <sgp_> needmonero90: 17 utc
15:47:02 <sgp_> 1.25 hrs
15:47:19 <needmonero90> I thought you were hiking
15:49:05 <rottensox> make sure you don't do 19 UTC again needmonero90.
15:49:10 <rottensox> :-D
15:49:53 <rottensox> msvb-rtc[m]'s FOSDEM presentation is up, for anyone who wants to check it out - https://ftp.osuosl.org/pub/fosdem/2020/UD2.218A/ema_secure_elements.webm
15:50:08 <rottensox> https://fosdem.org/2020/schedule/event/ema_secure_elements/
16:01:21 <rehrar> Ye
16:59:52 <rehrar> 0. Introduction
17:00:20 <rehrar> Hello and welcome to the Community Workgroup Gameshow (CWG)! I'm your host, Diego Salazar, and we've got a great show planned for you all tonight.
17:00:25 <rehrar> Let's meet our contestants.
17:00:32 <rehrar> 1. Greetings
17:00:53 <xmrmatterbridge> <intj440> Hi
17:00:58 <jwinterm> buen sabado todos
17:01:18 <selsta> hi
17:01:20 <i_a> ahoy
17:01:55 <rottensox> salutations.
17:02:03 <nioc> i'm napping
17:02:08 <rottensox> where's needmonero90.
17:02:28 <rehrar> Got us a lively group, don't we? Let's see how they handle the challenges to come.
17:02:38 <rehrar> 2. Community highlights
17:02:46 * needmonero90 sighs
17:02:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <ajs> i'll take geography for 500 rehrar
17:03:00 <rehrar> All points go to Diego who writes the Revuo Monero which you can see at https://revuo-monero.com
17:03:28 <rehrar> We also released the July 1, 2019 - December 31, 2019 periodical
17:03:43 <rehrar> Does anyone have anything in particular they want to highlight about this past couple of weeks?
17:04:44 <needmonero90> price go up
17:04:59 <jwinterm> cake wallet has been doing a nice job of getting people with breasts to post images of themselves wearing cake wallet t-shirts on tweeter
17:05:08 <rottensox> lol.
17:05:21 <jwinterm> other than that I got nothing
17:05:24 <rehrar> ...when in the land of the nerds
17:06:01 <endogenic> i've been working on something very exciting
17:06:09 <endogenic> i'm only going to tell rehrar about it
17:06:09 <rehrar> endogenic: want to share?
17:06:16 <rottensox> boo!
17:06:22 <endogenic> because i'm only friends with him
17:06:28 <rottensox> double boo!
17:06:30 <dandums> 43770
17:06:34 <rehrar> ooooh, bonus points for endogenic
17:06:39 <endogenic> yessss
17:06:53 <rehrar> 3. CCS updates
17:06:54 <endogenic> haha i'll share real soon rottensox
17:07:20 <rehrar> We got a few things in funding. Fund Xiphon plz
17:07:42 <rehrar> Xiphon is the bees knees and does great work. selsta will now give a short speech/poem about Xiphon's contributions.
17:07:44 <endogenic> been hanging with some crytocurrency groups in SF as well. we may see some movement
17:08:04 <selsta> he is doing important GUI work :P
17:08:20 <rehrar> clap clap
17:08:25 <selsta> like improving stability, speed, etc.
17:08:48 <rehrar> truly a man with a mastery of words. Thank you selsta.
17:09:04 <selsta> sorry I’m currently eating :P
17:09:13 <rottensox> lol.
17:09:54 <rehrar> vtnerd? sarang? suraeNoether? anybody here with a report on CCS activities?
17:11:09 <sarang> More math, more data, more fun
17:11:37 <sarang> Using chain data to get better comparisons of next-gen tx protocols, etc.
17:11:42 <rehrar> Sarang Noether, ladies and gentlemen
17:11:58 <endogenic> i like sarang
17:12:07 <sarang> Aw shucks
17:12:19 <sarang> A few other assorted code updates, and so on
17:13:06 <rehrar> thank you. Any other CCS updates?
17:13:35 <endogenic> in other news mymonero continues not to ask the community for money
17:13:37 <endogenic> 😂
17:13:54 <rehrar> 4. Workgroup reports
17:14:04 <rehrar> 4a. Daemon/CLI scrubs
17:14:25 <rehrar> anyone here from them that can say what you've been up to? merged things? pr'd things?
17:15:12 <rehrar> 4b. Localization
17:15:17 <rehrar> ErCiccione[m]? you around?
17:15:40 <rehrar> lol. Zero points for everyone.
17:15:56 <rehrar> I do know they now have Weblate working with the website, so translate.getmonero.org for that stuffs
17:16:19 <rehrar> c. GUI workgroup
17:16:23 <rehrar> selsta: what's the word?
17:17:12 <selsta> see https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/pulls?utf8=✓&q=is%3Apr for recent activity
17:17:27 <rehrar> what an informative meeting this is so far
17:17:33 <rottensox> lol.
17:17:34 <endogenic> dont mean to jump in but have to run. check out my upcoming monerotalk interview - i made some technical announcements
17:17:44 <rehrar> aight cya
17:17:47 <selsta> when is it coming out
17:17:48 <endogenic> like stuff we've been workin on a long time
17:17:54 <selsta> the interview
17:18:05 <endogenic> ah i dunno. it was about a week aho
17:18:06 <endogenic> ago
17:18:22 <selsta> ok so soon :P
17:18:23 <endogenic> y'all remember when adding wallets to an app took 6 mos?
17:18:30 <endogenic> like jaxx? haha
17:18:34 <endogenic> well that's 1 day now
17:18:55 <endogenic> tbh i actually already open sourced some stuff quietly
17:19:07 <endogenic> but this is not the really exciting upcomign thing
17:19:13 <endogenic> time to go tell diego in private
17:19:14 <endogenic> haha
17:19:26 <selsta> are you going to announce it in the interview?
17:19:37 <selsta> or still secret :P
17:20:20 <rehrar> 4d. Outreach workgroup
17:20:27 <rehrar> I don't think any of them piped up either
17:20:29 <needmonero90> :(
17:20:37 <rehrar> Thunderosa, xmrhaelan?
17:21:01 <rehrar> e. Monero Research Lab
17:21:03 <endogenic> selsta heya it's not announced in the interview no
17:21:06 <rehrar> sarang kinda already did it.
17:21:09 <sarang> :)
17:21:14 <rehrar> I jumped the gun. We blazing through this meeting.
17:21:17 <rehrar> let's get us all home
17:21:25 <rehrar> f. Website workgroup
17:21:35 <rehrar> ErCiccione[m]: isn't here so we can skip this one too
17:21:41 <rehrar> woot. The best kinds of meetings.
17:21:42 <needmonero90> efficient meeting
17:21:49 <shillo> I have nothing useful to add besides mentioning that rehrar is doing a great job running this meeting even though people are slow to respond. If he waits long enough I'm sure everything will be covered in due time
17:22:10 <rehrar> 5. Open ideas time
17:22:27 <rehrar> 5a. Moneroversary.
17:22:34 <rehrar> We doing anything? Party? Who's bringing the beer?
17:23:19 <endogenic> i'ma chat w sgp about a ton of ideas i have for that
17:23:39 <rehrar> perfect. in fact, let's take all discussion offline for efficiency sake
17:23:49 <rehrar> next meeting will be held over PMs
17:23:59 <endogenic> hahaha
17:24:04 <endogenic> it's a private meeting
17:24:22 <rehrar> Any of you bozos have any ideas for open ideas time?
17:24:28 <rehrar> I have something if nobody else does.
17:24:40 <endogenic> you go first
17:24:51 <rehrar> There was some discussion and a twitter thread about some individuals wishing Defcon villages would go back to their roots of being more hands-on rather than talk focused.
17:25:12 <rehrar> Now Defcon is still a ways away, but if they have us back again, I'd like to see our village go in that direction.
17:25:39 <rehrar> Less talks. WAAAAY less talks. In fact, most of the talks can be the same talk given multiple times a day for people that can't make other times. "What is Monero?" given by different people or whatever.
17:26:05 <rehrar> More workshops. How to use the wallet. How to secure your seed. How to use a hardware wallet.
17:26:12 <dEBRUYNE> Can we allocate some time to discuss the addition of 'Reasonably' on the website?
17:26:20 <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: sure
17:26:35 <rottensox> how to lose your private key in a boating accident.
17:26:48 <rehrar> That's basically it from me. More discussions will develop in #monero-defcon when it's time, I think.
17:26:58 <rehrar> dEBRUYNE: take it away
17:29:26 <rehrar> lol, ok shall I start the discussion then?
17:29:52 <dEBRUYNE> Sorry, didn't see the ping
17:30:10 <dEBRUYNE> Anyway, I think, similar to the guy that posted on reddit, that we shouldn't add an adjective on the website, regardless of which it is
17:30:24 <dEBRUYNE> Simply 'private' is sufficient. In my opinion, it does not provide a privacy guarantee
17:30:37 <dEBRUYNE> Furthermore, we can add a disclaimer link that provides elaboration
17:30:52 <dEBRUYNE> The optics of 'reasonably' are quite bad in my opinion and it leaves a lot of new people guessing what it might entail
17:31:35 <xmrmatterbridge> <intj440> +1
17:32:22 <nioc> dEBRUYNE: agree
17:33:48 <rehrar> We can also remove the "A" and just end up with "Private Digital Currency"
17:34:10 <rehrar> which, surprise is what was there to begin with :D
17:36:00 <jwinterm> a somewhat private with several important caveats that users should be aware of digital currency
17:36:03 <jwinterm> has a nice ring to it
17:36:28 <rehrar> any other opinions? differing or otherwise?
17:37:00 <rottensox> jwinterm: tl;dr.
17:37:19 <dEBRUYNE> What would be the point of removing 'A' rehrar?
17:37:21 <rottensox> private digital currency is simple and effective. don't look for the 5th leg in the cat.
17:37:29 <dEBRUYNE> Or is my sarcasm detector broken here :p
17:37:40 <rehrar> not sarcasm, what's the point of keeping it?
17:37:48 <jwinterm> 'A' is extraneous
17:37:51 <shillo> I'd remove the "A"
17:37:52 <rehrar> it's implied, yes
17:38:00 <rehrar> unless.....
17:38:17 <rehrar> if we want an article
17:38:17 <jwinterm> I agree an article is unnecessary
17:38:23 <rehrar> THE private digital currency
17:38:23 <jwinterm> unless you use 'The'
17:38:26 <rehrar> ^
17:38:31 <jwinterm> rehrar and I are actually the same person
17:38:39 <rottensox> impossible.
17:39:07 <rehrar> if jwinterm does squats, then it's literally true
17:39:27 <jwinterm> nah I'm fat and lazy
17:40:11 <rehrar> alright, so the present group is pretty much in agreement to remove "reasonably"
17:40:19 <rehrar> any other points of discussion or ideas?
17:40:42 <rehrar> if not, next meeting 29th. Same time.j
17:40:54 <SerHack> Yes, rehrar! I've submitted my third CCS for Monero integrations
17:41:07 <SerHack> https://repo.getmonero.org/monero-project/ccs-proposals/merge_requests/125
17:41:18 <sarang> Phrasings like "private" and "untraceable" are not useful without a lot of context
17:41:25 <rehrar> ah, cool, go comment on that then everyone
17:41:45 <rehrar> remove private leaves "Digital Currency"
17:41:45 <SerHack> There you may find all the information about my CCS. If you have any question, or any additional feature request, please leave a comment!
17:42:09 <dEBRUYNE> sarang: Hence my suggestion to add a direct link to a disclaimer page
17:42:13 <rehrar> Like some people say, probably better for it to be a link that takes to qualifications
17:42:14 <rehrar> ye
17:42:47 <sarang> It's not just the tagline... the homepage also says matter-of-fact phrasings like "Monero is private" and "Monero is untraceable"
17:43:01 <sarang> There's nuance and use cases etc. that affect those things
17:43:13 <rehrar> every word should be a link to a disclaimer
17:43:23 <rehrar> although I think we should move untraceable
17:43:40 <shillo> just hire a lawyer to decide how it should be phrased
17:44:50 <rehrar> I honestly think at some point we need to do a deep rethink of Monero's branding
17:45:13 <rehrar> I'm sure there's a good, snappy way to convey the message of Monero without a. overhyping us, b. underselling what makes us great
17:45:25 <rehrar> but it needs work, and a couple of tweaks isn't going to do it
17:45:27 <nioc> shillo: lol
17:45:39 <wampum> womanero
17:45:57 <rehrar> alright, meeting adjourned
17:46:08 <rehrar> discussions can continue, but I'm hungry
18:03:16 <SerHack> Let me know if you have any question about my request for funding!
19:00:44 <asymptotically> rehrar: what's for dinner?
19:38:33 <Inge-> endogenic: please elaborate on the movement in the cryptocurrency groups in SF :)
19:40:01 <endogenic> people are starting to understand a little better now that it's possible to list monero without excessive risk. banks dont want to do it without some way to do two-hop diligence. double standard but there are groups who successfully list and bank-partner w monero at high vol
19:40:03 <Jae> Hi
19:41:48 <Inge-> What is 2-hop diligence? is that kind of like "know your customers customer" ?
19:46:01 <ErCiccione[m]> Sorry folks, couldn't make it for the meeting. Next big news is adding the roadmap to Weblate. I already committed the changes, i just have to test them locally and see if everything works fine. If that's the case, i will open a PR. Feel free to make questions about the website or localization stuff
20:39:34 <endogenic> Inge-: yeah it's possible w btc but not monero
20:39:37 <endogenic> ofc
20:39:53 <endogenic> i think we can make monero transparent enough for law enforcement
20:39:56 <endogenic> 🤣🤣🤣🤣
21:45:38 * Inge- stabs endogenic over the internet
21:52:04 <endogenic> ow. my digital feefees