00:00:09 none of those will be the original name, none of those will be official channels 00:00:32 I see no need to leave, and it would hurt us. 00:00:59 it has always looked strange to me that we rely so heavily on 3rd party platforms 00:01:02 The style of discussion, no voting, forums are more linear. Not saying that a forum would not work, I just don’t see it as a direct replacement. 00:01:23 you could clone the reddit UX if that's all you're concerned with 00:05:10 I think we should do backups of Github issues and PR discussion/ Monero subreddit / Stackexchange 00:05:37 hyc I've been fighting this fight for so long :P 00:05:56 But moving to a forum would also mean losing a portion of the broader community. 00:06:28 selsta: does the "broader community" do anything? 00:06:40 Yes. 00:06:41 how so? you can always paste URLs to anything you want to reference 00:07:38 anyway.... the suggestion is only worthwhile if it actually gives us other benefits. I've seen plenty of old forums get overrun by spammers. 00:07:39 hyc: not sure if I understand 00:07:59 if we switched to a forum and that happened again, it would just suck time to clean them up, so, whatever 00:08:51 but I don't see that moving off reddit inherently means we lose contact with "the broader community" 00:11:10 I don’t particularly like Reddit but it is extremely popular. 00:11:35 If discussion moves to a different place only those really interested would move. 00:12:02 You could argue that’s a good thing but I don’t see Reddit as a place for serious discussion anyway. 00:12:15 It’s just social media. 00:12:18 it seems to be the bulk of our community discussions now 00:14:06 hyc agreed, I think this is the problem 00:14:17 Reddit can still be a place for the masses to discuss Monero 00:14:28 but we should move serious Monero discussions, and announcements to the forum 00:14:36 and link to that from Reddit 00:14:54 hmmm. well, making people look in two places for complete info is a drag 00:15:17 why is our primary way of making announcements through a centralized platform that we have no control over? 00:15:21 Don’t we already use Github issues for technical discussions like the PoW change? 00:15:31 And the Monero blog for announcements? 00:15:54 I just don’t think we need another forum. We have so many places lol 00:16:03 the forum didn't work well before and that was before there was a spam issue there 00:16:07 github works for discussing actual code. even that is kind of lousy. 00:16:24 I mean the meta repo. 00:16:25 the length of the PoW discussions made them a pain to navigate 00:16:41 nioc the software itself was also kind of the worst 00:17:05 I had no issue with it and that says alot :D 00:18:37 but it certainly had limitations 00:20:13 I really don't see the difference between a subreddit and any other webforum. 00:21:11 We have multiple subreddits, the website blog, Github meta repo, Stackexchange, Irc, telegram 00:21:17 do we need another forum? :P 00:21:27 no. we need fewer. 00:21:46 but on infrastructure that we actually control 00:23:03 anyway, it obviously has pluses and minuses so I'll leave it 00:23:14 yep 00:23:36 ideally everything would be self hosted but that comes with its own downsides 00:23:49 yes, more management hassle for us 00:23:50 like we have seen with Gitlab, no proper CI integration 00:35:54 SSH access! 00:39:14 I would not mind getting rid of the subreddit without a replacement 00:39:30 Technical question -> stack exchange 00:39:40 Super advanced question -> #monero-dev 00:40:14 On-topic discussion -> #monero-community and github/gitlab 00:41:13 ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ 00:41:24 o/ 00:46:39 Motivational speeches -> PRIVMSG dsc_ 08:30:21 I'd love for us to have an official forum that has a bitcointalk style of threads 08:30:30 It allows for deep discussion and you can quote stuff from years back 08:30:42 I think the issue with our previous forum was mainly the format and the software 08:30:43 Same. 08:32:11 Just DO NOT use bitcointalk unless there is an update to make it mobile-friendly 08:35:45 I don't think we should get rid of our subreddit, it has a lot of activity and is one of the biggest crypto related subreddits 08:36:44 too big to fail^(tm). 08:37:21 Regarding forum software 08:37:26 Does anyone like Discourse? 08:38:04 I find it confusing but I don’t know what alternatives there are. 08:38:21 in my humble opinion the best forum platform i've used is XDA Developers, but it's not open source. unless a reverse-engineering magician can get the source code, our hands are tied. 08:38:33 https://forum.xda-developers.com/ 08:56:35 with that IOTA wallet security breach story, all jokes aside, do we have any vulnerability testing /audits for the CLI/GUI ? do we have bounties up on HackerOne that cover them, or some other such measure? 09:02:29 Do we know what the issue with the wallet was? 09:14:55 i think they are still trying to understand the issue 10:58:36 midipoet: HackerOne bounty covers CLI/GUI. 10:59:05 I think audits are unrealistic, at least it would make sense to audit consensus related code first. 10:59:05 selsta: thanks! i thought it probably did, but nice to be reassured. 11:00:24 Let’s wait for IOTA details first. 11:00:50 They use node.js and have a lot of dependencies which are a common attack vector. 11:01:35 selsta: agree that audits are expensive, and the bounty mitigates the issue somewhat. i guess it's good to acknowledge that individual security of funds usually comes down to the wallet/private key level, of which the wallet is, at least partially, responsible for (afaiu). 12:55:37 Is there someone from Cake Wallet here? 15:43:01 Soimatter: I'm talking to vik on telegram right now, he's available if you have an account there. Knifeofpi is supposed to be here for IRC, but...isnt. For some reason. 15:43:42 They're figuring out why no one is on IRC atm, should have a rep online soon 15:48:49 Hi - did somebody need me? 15:49:52 SoiMatter: ^^^^ 15:51:20 SoiMatter: ^^^^^ 15:51:53 SoiMatter: ^^^^^^ 15:54:36 Thanks guys. KnifeOfPi I contacted Mykola! 15:54:52 OK! 15:55:02 Nioc Inge- needmonero90 thank you! 15:56:10 my job is done, I can go outside now SoiMatter 15:57:57 Yes sir 16:21:05 Interesting spike in xmr transactions on the 12th 16:21:48 Haven't spiked like that since minko.to time 16:47:44 people buying NSFW Valentine's gifts without their partners knowing. 16:48:34 hm 16:48:41 actually plausible? But its a bit close to vday 16:49:22 midipoet: Re: security, our attack surface for both CLI/GUI are small(er) than Electron based apps 16:50:05 hello all 16:50:13 heya endogenic 16:57:23 dsc_: this may well be true. i haven't a clue to be honest. 17:25:22 dsc_: did you see that the IOTA network freeze was possibly due to a backdoor in one of the npm dependencies of their wallet? :D 17:27:29 that means someone thought IOTA was valuable enough to explicitly target? 17:27:44 some dev with wildly distorted view of reality 17:38:13 one attack I thought was creative from a technical standpoint was: https://www.zdnet.com/article/users-report-losing-bitcoin-in-clever-hack-of-electrum-wallets/ 17:38:41 Exploiting rich text rendering in Qt from external entities 17:39:35 The Monero GUI actively avoids using richtext for that very reason 19:50:05 https://twitter.com/MoneroTalk/status/1228363914703974401 19:50:05 [ MoneroTalk on Twitter: "@chowbungaman is speaking at the #Cryptopulco during @Anarchapulco today 2/14 at 12:20PM! 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