14:57:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Please RT and tag other crypto project leads: https://twitter.com/xmrhaelan/status/1227230005937065985
14:57:55 <monerobux> [ xmrhaelan on Twitter: "@Monero taking the lead among the crypto world by supporting open-source, decentralized, off-grid crypto transactions. Hope to see other projects step up and similarly support @ ] - twitter.com
14:59:19 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Planting the seeds for an article we’ll write later as a call to action for other crypto projects to follow our lead...
16:06:38 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Unless we end up bringing them in as a Monero project..
17:39:04 <xmrscott[m]> Random brainfart, other FOSS like KDE makes note to upload to PeerTube. Might it be worthwhile to do so for Breaking Monero, DEF CON, etc?
17:48:52 <kinghat> decentralize all the things
17:54:38 <Inge-> https://www.cryptoglobe.com/latest/2020/02/finma-proposes-stricter-anit-money-laundering-rules-for-crypto-transactions/
17:59:31 <sgp_> Potential issue here
17:59:45 <sgp_> This post was made by a very-likely purchased account https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f27f2e/gregor_žavcer_monero_is_the_purest_community/
17:59:46 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Gregor Žavcer: Monero is the purest community (https://imgur.com/a/6uOBpfI) to r/Monero | 30 points (78.0%) | 16 comments | Posted by Zalakun | Created at 2020-02-11 - 12:06:04
18:01:11 <Inge-> oops
18:01:19 <sgp_> The specific choice of wording could suggest that one individual is claiming that Monero's contributors are "pure" in an antisemitic way, which could not be further from the truth
18:01:46 <Inge-> not just the wording
18:01:49 <Inge-> open the image
18:01:57 <Inge-> and it is clearly a smear on that
18:03:04 <sgp_> Reading through the comments, it does not look like any Monero contributors took it this way. I barely was paying attention this morning, so I commented saying something along the lines of us trying to make the community better. I later edited the comment to say inclusivity is extremely important and that bigotry is not tolerated
18:03:30 <sgp_> I haven't seen the Monero Talk video, but I'm told the context in the video is not inappropriate
18:04:08 <Inge-> rattie picked up on it - and if you look at the imgur it becomes quite clear - someone also commented that the image might have changed since the initial posting
18:04:23 <Inge-> and I saw the post some hours ago, read nice comments, and never thought to click on the image
18:04:43 <sgp_> I don't know if it changed
18:04:50 <ErCiccione[m]> yeah the third screenshot is one of fireice's favourites
18:05:31 <sgp_> O shit, I only saw the first one
18:05:45 <sgp_> needmonero90 ErCiccione[m] ^^¥
18:06:07 <Inge-> yeah I was wondering about that, you seemed too calm there
18:07:32 <ErCiccione[m]> BTW i too remember clicking it the first time and there was only the first screenshot
18:07:53 <sgp_> My mobile reddit client still only shows the first screenshot. Must be cached
18:08:07 <sgp_> Well, this is an extremely obvious case now
18:08:27 <sgp_> Everyone please report
18:08:48 <ErCiccione[m]> i think they posted the image on imgur and then, posted the link and than changed the pic on imgur.
18:09:39 <sgp_> Yes it seems like it
18:10:41 <ErCiccione[m]> dEBRUYNE ^
18:10:59 <sgp_> I believe the post is removed
18:11:07 <asymptotically> what is the chat channel fireice (or whoever this mysterious anti-monero person is) keeps sharing pictures from? it looks kind of like skype but i don't recognise it or the people in it
18:11:44 <sgp_> Telegram
18:11:50 <asymptotically> ah ok
18:12:53 <sgp_> M5M400 and needmonero90: please get the new subreddit set up, else I'm going to promote a default design sub
18:15:32 <ErCiccione[m]> That's a new low btw. They usually try to veil their actions
18:18:01 <sgp_> Yes, purposefully misconstruing statements and then editing posts after is hugely unethical
18:18:36 <sgp_> I recommend not being aggressive on Twitter though despite this, since all they want to do is cause drama. Don't let them
18:19:23 <sgp_> These people don't have another audience
18:21:36 <ErCiccione[m]> Fireice has pathological obsessive behaviour. He is not going to stop, he will just try to reach more audience. My fear is that people who are not aware of this could fall in the trap
18:22:14 <xmrscott[m]> Indeed, fireice et al prints free money for himself and isn't happy with that and only seems to be happy with causing drama, so don't waste too much time giving him what he so desparately needs
18:23:42 <xmrscott[m]> Those willing to put in the work to link him/alchemist/etc to bought antsemite and report to Reddit could get their main accounts banned as well
18:23:55 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: he most likely won't stop so we need to be efficient at cutting this bullshit off quickly
18:24:00 <xmrscott[m]> *bought antisemitie reddit accounts
18:24:50 <selsta> So people can change pictures afterwards?
18:25:13 <kinghat[m]> is our xmr matrix self hosted?
18:25:26 <sgp_> selsta: yeah, I forgot that you can edit imgur posts
18:25:38 <ErCiccione[m]> sgp_: He won't stop for sure and i agree. I suggest to not get caught up in his fabricated drama, but also to call out the bullshit without answering further
18:25:52 <ErCiccione[m]> kinghat nope,
18:25:59 <sgp_> I edited my comment in the existing thread, for example
18:26:08 <sgp_> But I won't be doing any more
18:26:41 <sgp_> Best way to right that narrative is to give obvious evidence against it. Be welcoming :)
18:27:00 <kinghat[m]> the protocol and apps are getting very good over there.. here.. 😁
18:28:04 <xmrscott[m]> kinghat: Been out of the loop for 2 months. We have a self hosted Matrix instance now? I know rehrar was working on a personal one a while back
18:28:28 <xmrscott[m]> Also Mozilla has now made their Matrix instance publicly available
18:28:36 <ErCiccione[m]> xmrscott: No we don't, but there were discussions about creating one (welcome back)
18:29:16 <xmrscott[m]> Thanks
18:31:36 <kinghat[m]> xmrscott: the mozilla one is federated? last i checked it wasnt.
18:33:53 <kinghat[m]> its not showing up in the explore search so i dont think it is yet.
18:36:23 <xmrscott[m]> I want to say yes because I stumbled across some FOSS community mentioning it, want to say Purism crowd, but I'm still in fever dream modr
18:37:13 <kinghat[m]> you can sign up on their homeserver but they havent federated it yet afaict
18:39:35 <kinghat[m]> why does ErCiccione[m] and kinghat show up with the homeserver in parens and yours doesnt, xmrscott?
18:40:17 * kinghat[m] uploaded an image: image.png (26KB) < https://matrix.org/_matrix/media/r0/download/matrix.org/cjvbzAtTiewhXXbSUvZpQMws >
18:40:35 <xmrscott[m]> I have evolved to where I don't need parens
18:40:56 <xmrscott[m]> Best guess is because my matrix account is tied to my reg'd IRC account
18:41:05 <ErCiccione[m]> kinghat: I did it on purpose, my nick on matrix is ErCiccione[m]. sometimes i use IRC and it's easier for people to see on what platform i'm writing from.
18:41:32 <kinghat[m]> i see your time away was used wisely :grin😁
18:41:42 <kinghat[m]>  * i see your time away was used wisely 😁
18:42:36 <ErCiccione[m]> i think matrix automatically gave the [m] after your nick in freenode rooms some time ago, but then they gave the possibility to remove it.
18:43:32 <kinghat[m]> i get the `[m]` on freenode to denote the message was from matrix, but not the parens on matrix when im using a matrix client 🤷‍♂️
18:43:49 <rehrar> Self-hosted matrix is 80% done.
18:43:59 <rehrar> We will have it ready soon.
18:44:16 <ErCiccione[m]> nice
18:44:18 <selsta> What can we do about changed pictures in the future?
18:44:38 <kinghat[m]> rehrar: can i be invited to your club?
18:44:57 <ErCiccione[m]> <kinghat[m] "i get the `[m]` on freenode to d"> Yes, because my nick is literally "ErCiccione[m]". I manually added the [m]
18:45:12 <rehrar> kinghat[m]: soon
18:45:31 <ErCiccione[m]> selsta: i don't think much actually 😕
18:46:29 <msvb-mob> rehrar: That's great news.
18:47:33 <rehrar> msvb-mob: yes. Exciting! Been working on that with pigeons in the background these past weeks.
18:48:11 <kinghat[m]> there were a lot of good talks on matrix as FOSDEM2020
18:48:17 <kinghat[m]>  * there were a lot of good talks on matrix at FOSDEM2020
18:49:10 <kinghat[m]> xmrscott: how did you do that name linking bit?
18:50:19 <kinghat[m]> https://media1.tenor.com/images/b7df9f7e9793d8855ec415b90deb5cc0/tenor.gif
18:52:53 <ErCiccione[m]> there should be instructions in the matrix repo on github. Can give some pains tho (my nickname sometimes changes to 'guest<randomnumber>' when my matrix account decides to disconnect from freenode)
18:53:37 <ErCiccione[m]> actually, better continue the conversation in the matrix-only monero room. To not go OT here
18:54:10 <msvb-mob> It's typical (been done before by them) that we get a nice new selfhosted platform thanks to rehrar and pigeons, thanks a lot for that.
18:57:38 <xmrscott[m]> The Matrix guide has you register the nick itself and change nick to remove [m]. There was some nickserv cmmand I'm struggling to refind that links/associates two accounts that I used two or so years ago during the reg account required on channels lockdown due to spam
18:58:54 <xmrscott[m]> Technically the guide will work for what you visually want, but the lonking thing was nice because I could associate multiple aliases to the irc 'xmrscott' account as proof of identity
19:01:46 <kinghat[m]> hmmm
19:05:20 <xmrscott[m]> Ah, I probably used /msg nickserv access
19:06:36 <M5M400> sgp_: the image definitely has changed since initial posting. it was just the first image of the collage initially
19:06:40 <xmrscott[m]> I'll have to mess around later when I have time. Anyways as ErCiccione said, Matrix's IRC guide will give you want you want
19:07:25 <dEBRUYNE> My apologies guys, missed the full image (probably due to the fact that it was edited afterwards)
19:08:37 <kinghat[m]> lubs dEBRUYNE anyways 😘
19:10:06 <kinghat[m]> so all of freenode is bridged to matrix? or just specific rooms?
19:12:47 <xmrscott[m]> All https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Bridged-IRC-networks
19:13:16 <kinghat[m]> reading this one atm: https://github.com/matrix-org/matrix-appservice-irc/wiki/Guide:-How-to-use-Matrix-to-participate-in-IRC-rooms
19:39:43 <selsta> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f281lt/ccs_funding_required_locha_mesh_a_resilient/fhbst2m/
19:39:44 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [CCS Funding Required] Locha Mesh, a resilient long-range radio mesh network (Monero Aligned) (https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/randybrito-locha-mesh.html) to r/Monero | 64 points (91.0%) | 10 comments | Posted by xmrhaelan | Created at 2020-02-11 - 13:05:34
19:41:53 <selsta> IMO doing CCS fundraising for an unrelated (partly commercial) project was a bad precedent.
19:43:50 <kinghat[m]> should have made it an * trial run
19:45:07 <selsta> sets a*
19:46:07 <selsta> I would be really disappointed if we continue to do this in the future.
19:46:59 <dEBRUYNE> I had similar concerns, will leave a comment on Reddit too
20:13:19 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> The Locha Mesh was discussed ad nauseum for a month and we agreed this will be a trial run. Depending on how it works out, we may ask they consider becoming a project under Monero. Otherwise we will have given them an example they can use to leverage support from other projects down the road. Regardless, we’re able to help out a cool project and maybe get some good press along the way.
20:14:03 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> I think many of the naysayers are ignoring the possible network effect this could have, which could lead to more participants and donors to the Monero ecosystem later on.
20:25:30 <ErCiccione[m]> I too think this sets a bad precedent and i agree with this comment: https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f281lt/ccs_funding_required_locha_mesh_a_resilient/fhbst2m/
20:25:31 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [CCS Funding Required] Locha Mesh, a resilient long-range radio mesh network (Monero Aligned) (https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/randybrito-locha-mesh.html) to r/Monero | 63 points (90.0%) | 11 comments | Posted by xmrhaelan | Created at 2020-02-11 - 13:05:34
20:29:03 <ErCiccione[m]> I think people got excited about the project (which everybody agreed is cool) and didn't realize we are accepting donation for a project whose only concrete promise is to create documentation. I also don't think the PR value of the project even remotely justify the funding.
20:30:46 <selsta> Right, posting a cool project on Reddit will obviously get positive reception.
20:32:47 <asymptotically> i think it would be totally different if it was "we will integrate monero with our locha mesh network" and a milestone was something like broadcasting a block on their network
20:33:03 <asymptotically> i'd dust off my ledger right away to throw money at that. but this just seems kinda unrelated to monero
20:39:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> I get the need to express disagreements in moments like this. It’s one of the reasons I love the Monero community so much. However, these points have already been made and still consensus leaned toward giving this a three month trial. So let’s see what happens.
20:41:25 <selsta> We can still express disagreement.
20:42:06 <asymptotically> i'm not complaining too hard, nobody is forcing me at gunpoint to contribute to the FFS :D
20:48:08 <selsta> xmrhaelan: luigi decided to move it but community consensus was IMO undecided. But that’s a difficult metric to objectively measure.
20:48:19 <ErCiccione[m]> I'm not really sure that consensus leaned that way tho. Most of the active community members expressed criticisms
20:49:09 <ErCiccione[m]> exactly
20:49:59 <ErCiccione[m]> i think most of the support came from reddit, but the criticisms weren't discussed or reported there.
20:50:05 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> Not all of them did. And it had overwhelming support on social media
20:51:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> I don’t see something like this being a community dividing issue. Outside of that disagreement and discussion is a healthy thing.
20:54:55 <ErCiccione[m]> It's not about dividing the community. It's about giving free resources to a company basing the decision on hype instead of rational analysis. Anyway. The decision was made, i don't think it respected community consensus, but now we can just wait and see. I just hope that not too many resources of the Outreach workgroup will be dedicated to this external project
21:28:53 <dEBRUYNE> How do you qualify overwhelming support on social media though?
21:34:20 <selsta> It’s a cool project it will obviously have support on social media.
21:34:48 <selsta> People are not familiar with the workings and nuances of the CCS there.
21:50:13 <binaryFate> let's fund xiphon and show everyone there's no shortage for important stuff too
21:58:26 <selsta> +1 :D
22:03:13 <nioc> nice first donation :D
23:31:55 <rdymac> hello all here, I've answered this long comment in case anyone want to read it https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f281lt/ccs_funding_required_locha_mesh_a_resilient/fhchzs7/
23:31:56 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [CCS Funding Required] Locha Mesh, a resilient long-range radio mesh network (Monero Aligned) (https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/randybrito-locha-mesh.html) to r/Monero | 65 points (89.0%) | 21 comments | Posted by xmrhaelan | Created at 2020-02-11 - 13:05:34
23:32:25 <rdymac> if you still have any concerns, please comment there and let me know so I can address them