00:26:22 So, as many of you know, fluffypony's reddit user account (fluffyponyza) was randomly suspended by reddit without communication. He made an appeal and it was closed without communication. 00:26:55 I would like to once again reopen the topic of deploying a self-hosted forum or alternative to Reddit that we can move to or have as a back up plan. 00:27:26 Whether this was done through troll reporting, malicious behavior, or intervention from the powers that be, it is worrying, and that we don't have a backup plan is silly in light of this situation. 00:27:52 sgp_ dEBRUYNE ArticMine 00:31:43 Yes I do agree this is a very serious issue 00:32:40 It needs to be addressed across the community and the work groups 00:34:20 The forum will have to be designed with a high degree of redundancy so that one provider or state alone would not be able to shut it down 00:35:21 De - platforming has become a very serious issue. 00:47:37 would backups going to several locations be sufficient or should we try to have several servers syncing with each other? 00:48:10 that sounds extremely overkill 00:48:57 ok, what's your suggestion selsta ? 00:49:18 selfhosted + backups 00:49:51 if a state / provider blocks access then we can react 00:50:43 selsta: your opinion, if I may. Do you think people who run federated services (like Mastadon) on a VPS truly adds to decentralization? Since they don't actually have control of the machine, I mean. 00:52:29 also, one of the benefits of reddit is, that while one core team member was a mod (fluffypony), it was largely moderated by non-core team people, and wasn't owned and operated by core team either. In a sense, even though those people mostly follow the core team, it was still a distribution of power in communication. 00:53:39 if we do launch something else, should we see about it being hosted, paid for, and otherwise maintained by non-core team people, or would the easy logistics of getting one set up on core team infrastructure outweigh the cons of centralizing this point of communication 00:53:59 ArticMine: your thoughts on the above point? 00:57:02 I guess the question is do we want to find a Reddit replacement or a decentralized backup communication platform for the worst case. 00:57:18 I think mixing both is not going to work. 01:03:22 rehrar: I’m not familiar with Mastadon but as long as different VPS providers are used, yes. 01:03:46 Mastadon is FOSS, self-hosted twitter alternative. 01:04:05 I, personally, want a reddit replacement. I despise reddit as a platform. 01:04:06 I’ve seen it but I’m not super familiar with it. 01:04:38 twitter isn't exactly ideal for archived, long-form communication 01:04:43 where will the people come from? 01:04:47 It’s not easy to replace Reddit. 01:04:51 decred runs a reddit clone for their forum funding system thinger 01:05:35 we have a ffs and we also had a forum 01:05:42 a dead one 01:06:20 I think their proposal system is actually a fork of reddit https://proposals.decred.org/proposals/d5203291271ad7399dbdf57050e53bbd074a40e746d5778cb5f78596570dc162 01:06:30 same commenting format and up and down voting 01:07:03 maybe not 01:09:03 Why not just use what Zcash uses? That's the standard form software 01:10:27 rehrar: I think the ideals you bring up are important to keep in mind, but I want to make sure it's actionable. Having server backups on another server is much simpler and I can tolerate some forum downtime in the worst case if it saves a huge headache 01:12:34 oh! I wasn't saying to use Mastadon jwinterm 01:13:18 I would say either Discourse or Flarum 01:13:24 although I don't really like discourse much. 01:13:33 Maybe one day Flarum will be ready and won't suck? 01:13:59 I find Reddit and forums to be different things. 01:15:06 Yes. People get on Reddit for a large number of reasons. Many topics all on one site and curated for you. 01:15:28 Rather than going one place per thing. Many accounts, etc. And yet, what do we do with what happened to fluffypony? 01:16:56 Also the kind of discussions are different. 01:17:08 Reddit posts usually die down after a day. 01:17:24 but you know the differences lol 01:19:24 I agree, best to think of it as a compliment 01:30:44 tweet at reddit asking for fluffy to be reinstated 01:33:17 https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/f1htf5/fluffypony_ten_days_ago_my_reddit_account_was/ 01:33:18 [REDDIT] Fluffypony: "Ten days ago my reddit account was suspended with no indication" (https://twitter.com/fluffypony/status/1226573926798589953) to r/Monero | 14 points (100.0%) | 2 comments | Posted by itistoday | Created at 2020-02-10 - 00:15:06 01:34:03 well it looks like the tweeting has already begun 01:34:43 *tweeting intensifies* 01:34:58 kinghat8: wtf?!?! 01:39:57 ahhh much better 03:34:52 So yeah.... :P