00:11:39 <knaccc> rottensox you have a time index on snowden talking about monero?
00:12:35 <knaccc> i'm a java programmer, not a C++ programmer, so I did the i2p-zero java stuff only. others with a C++ background were working on the GUI integration, and I don't know what the status there is
00:21:10 <rottensox> knaccc: not really, but i do try to listen to all of his appearances...
00:21:27 <knaccc> rottensox i found the bit where he mentions bitcoin
00:21:34 <knaccc> he doesn't mention monero by name there
00:21:37 <rottensox> no...
00:21:43 <knaccc> did he actually say "monero"?
00:21:48 <rottensox> he mentions monero in the Q&A, towards the end.
00:21:48 <rottensox> yes.
00:21:50 <knaccc> ah ok
00:22:05 <rottensox> it is a good talk all around. at least i loved it.
00:23:57 <knaccc> oh i found it 45:46
00:27:17 <knaccc> i wonder what he's talking about, re: community management
00:27:31 <knaccc> i always thought monero's community was its strongest part
02:38:08 <sgp_> Hmm, I wish he was more specific. It's hard to use the statement as constructive feedback
03:36:51 <gingeropolous> that sounds like a critique one makes when there's nothing technical to critique :P
03:37:09 <gingeropolous> having not watched the clip. i'll let myself out.
05:00:57 <ajs[m]> knaccc: "dammit jim, i'm a java programmer, not a C++ programmer"
09:43:45 <xmrmatterbridge> <cankerwort> Thanks for sharing that rottensox. That throwaway comment was a hilarious way of summing up the project. I'd be curious to know what he based that on
10:10:47 <knaccc> ajs[m] haha
14:15:57 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> I think if someone like Snowden is making a critique like that it’s worth investigating further. Isn’t he a Zcash advocate? Is there something Zcash does for community management that we aren’t doing?
14:29:20 <hyc> doesn't zooko invite random community members to his house for a steak dinner?
14:39:35 <Inge-> hyc: I'm still waiting on an invite for dinner and violin concerto
14:40:17 <Inge-> xmrhaelan: yeah would be interesting to engage with him. At least he didn't call it "amateur crypto". This time.
14:50:13 <hyc> re: that amateur crypto comment - always possible he was just that uninformed. it's not like we have a professional ad agency working for us
15:23:20 <binaryFate> snowden is quite close to some zcash people, his old judgement that monero is amateur crypto is literally to be taken as "not developed by a company"
15:24:43 <binaryFate> opposing amateur vs. professional. It's dumb because by this standard would you call academic research "amateur"?
15:25:28 <binaryFate> And also it interprets the grassroot aspect of Monero has a drawback while it is very much a strength
15:30:23 <sarang> The fact that ECC is a company has been a big part of the ongoing Zcash funding kerfuffle
15:30:50 <sarang> And that has occupied a lot of time and attention for them for quite some time
16:30:38 <xmrmatterbridge> <xmrhaelan> binaryFate good point. It’s rather confusing that Snowden wouldn’t see the value in a more decentralized open-source approach. I suspect it will just be time and maturity of the Monero ecosystem that changes his views.
18:12:06 <kinghat> https://apple.slashdot.org/story/20/01/21/1357208/apple-dropped-plan-for-encrypting-backups-after-fbi-complained
19:30:08 <gingeropolous> what the shit. is bitcoin developed by a company?
19:30:14 <gingeropolous> brain hurt
19:30:26 <sarang> BitCo (tm)
22:56:53 <thunderosa> It kinda cuts both ways, the company method is a highly evolved shark, it's demonstrated to be efficient. On the other hand, I've thought that Monero attracted "unhireables" meaning people who's conscience isn't for hire, who only want hard problems that may or may not be profitable economically.
22:57:50 <thunderosa> I've envied the ECC budget,...but not for very long. Dumb budgets lead to dumb thinking.
23:43:41 <hyc> encouraging a heavy burn rate is never a good thing
23:44:03 <hyc> * this I've learned from my own startup experiences
23:50:26 <thunderosa> oh those were some heady days :)
23:51:00 <thunderosa> never again....dear god, never again.