18:16:03 -xmr-pr- [meta] SarangNoether opened issue #427: Research meeting: 15 January 2020 @ 18:00 UTC
18:16:03 -xmr-pr- > https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/427
18:19:29 <sarang> good bot
18:20:37 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: UwU
18:25:30 <KaylaCypherpunkC> dang, it didnt bridge the github pr thingy
18:26:17 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Oof. We bridging Keybase now?
18:26:47 <KaylaCypherpunkC> oh hey rahrar, not officially, just have a keybase on that other community
18:26:55 <KaylaCypherpunkC> rehrar*
18:27:01 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> *rooroo
18:27:12 <KaylaCypherpunkC> which btw, saw you took down the bridge on discord like a month ago?
18:27:16 <hyc> rowrr
18:27:17 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Oh, are you Kayla from that other place?
18:27:22 <KaylaCypherpunkC> yup :P
18:27:23 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Yeah you are.
18:27:43 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Yeah it was giving us a few issues, so rather than fix them we decided to nuke everything.
18:27:54 <Snipa> Ah, nothing like a good nuclear solution.
18:27:57 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> It is the Monero way.
18:28:21 <KaylaCypherpunkC> haha alrighty :3
18:29:09 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> LinkedIn is the worst.
18:29:29 <Snipa> Eh, you get used to it after awhile.  Mine's still flooded with crypto-stuff from when I was working in eth-land.
18:29:56 <rottensox> >working in eth-land
18:30:57 <Snipa> Tbh, discord's worse these days if you're in any of the crypto-discords, all the affiliate PM spam is absurd.
18:31:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Discord is so trash, yes.
18:31:52 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: i dont get many of those tbh, not even the D pics, there's the "offline" mode and the DM bots usually dont bother dm'ing offlines
18:32:14 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Nobody ever sends me D pics. :(
18:32:21 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I assume D stands for Diego.
18:32:22 <Snipa> Probally should use that, but my gaming groups like knowing if I'm around or not.
18:32:31 <asymptotically> rehrar: don't worry, i'll send you a picture of my dragon longsword in runescape
18:32:33 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: 😹
18:33:20 <Snipa> Also - Rehrar - I noticed that there was a -dev meeting I slept through, but I hadn't seen announcements for it, when is that meeting usually held?  I didn't know it was going on, or I would have set an alarm. :3
18:34:14 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Every other Sunday. 17 UTC.
18:34:22 <Snipa> Got it.
18:34:25 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> What is this face? --> :3
18:35:10 <Snipa> General happy-smiley, inherited from one of the various sub-communities.
18:35:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Ok. Thanks.
18:35:45 <Snipa> Also, I really gotta move to the east coast at this rate.  1700 UTC is way too early to wake up.
18:35:59 <derpy_bridge> [discord] <Kayla#5718>: :3 is like http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-_3QVXH99Tss/UX7NP_cgcnI/AAAAAAAAHhE/f1NaXiAYyIM/s400/smiley+faced+cat.jpg
18:37:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Kayla, will you use every single bridge?
18:37:30 <Snipa> I'm half-waiting to see a telegram bridge.
18:37:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> You have to alternate between them. Never send from the same one twice in a row.
18:37:57 <KaylaCypherpunkC> still have matrix to be done, dont have a telegram one, that's a platform that kinda repulsing me or somethin x)
18:37:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Snipa, i take it back. Telegram is the worst.
18:38:19 <asymptotically> [SmokeSignalBridge] <asymptotically> hello friends!
18:38:35 <Snipa> Telegram is pretty awful, I'm in two chats on there, one because my ex-roomie runs it, and the other is a monero chat. :P
18:38:45 <asymptotically> KaylaCypherpunkC: matrix already has a bridge with freenode
18:38:52 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> They made me an admin of the Monero chat :(
18:39:09 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I would troll people a lot, and they made me an admin so the people could tell my trolls weren't real.
18:39:19 <KaylaCypherpunkC> using matterbridge with support matrix as well, just have to setup the config file is what i meant :D
18:39:20 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Cuz it triggered too many scrubs.
18:39:48 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Kayla, so you are good at running bridges?
18:40:11 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Maybe we can offload this responsibility from pigeons and give it to you.
18:40:23 <Snipa> Say no now, while it's safe to do so. :P
18:40:30 <asymptotically> bridge over the river monero
18:40:44 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> It's too late. Diego has spoken.
18:41:16 <KaylaCypherpunkC> @rehrar idk, just starting up, got it up yesterday only so not sure if it will be stable or if gotta host on a vps and such, config file is currently over 670 lines, wrote it yesterday... so still figuring it out
18:41:34 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Ah, I see.
18:41:39 <Snipa> Always have spare servers for running random applications.  *nods*
18:41:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Have you been around long Kayla and I never knew? First time I met you was in Discord.
18:42:20 <KaylaCypherpunkC> on discord for 2 years but first time using irc
18:42:28 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> But there has been a few times where I was embarrassed because I didn't know someone who had been part for a long time and I was just too snooty.
18:42:34 <KaylaCypherpunkC> well, tried it like 10 years ago for maybe 2 days and thats about it, never again since
18:42:36 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I meant Monero in general.
18:42:37 <Snipa> Ah, welcome to the best chatting platform ever created.
18:42:46 <KaylaCypherpunkC> oh, yeah xmr maximalist :D
18:42:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> IRC is the worst, but it's the best we have.
18:43:03 <Snipa> IRC is literally the best possible chat platform. :P
18:43:03 <KaylaCypherpunkC> even gave away like around 10 xmr in the discord the past couple of weeks
18:43:12 <KaylaCypherpunkC> since xmr tipbot up and running
18:43:17 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> What? Where was I when this happened?
18:43:29 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I coulda used that to buy a new couch.
18:43:33 <KaylaCypherpunkC> "Cypherpunk & Cryptoanarchy Club" discord
18:43:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> From the flea market. From a cool Mexican.
18:43:50 <KaylaCypherpunkC> i meant, to multiple people haha x)
18:43:57 <Snipa> Sounds like a fun discord.  Might have to hop in at some point.
18:44:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Yes but it could have been to one person, that one person being me.
18:44:24 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Snipa do you play all of the games?
18:44:34 <KaylaCypherpunkC> like 1 xmr to hooft for hosting the tipbot, 1 xmr to drew for hosting other tipbots, 0.11 xmr to active people, devs and such, like adds up to about 10 xmr total
18:44:49 <KaylaCypherpunkC> haha x)
18:44:51 <Snipa> I primarily play eve-online and minecraft, both of which centralize around discord. :P
18:45:08 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> You never joined our Monero Minecraft server. Sad.
18:45:35 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I want to have games for the Monero people to play and have fun together, but I'm....not that into games and I don't know what's good.
18:46:08 <Snipa> I primarily play modded MC, because I hate myself in that sweet, sweet way you only get from accidently nuking your base with a draconic evolution reactor that goes thermonuclear.  Or "accidently" setting the twilight forest on fire, and taking out a server, because :java:
18:46:37 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Monero nerds like Luigi and shillosopher had me play PUBG and I sucked hard at it. And that and Minecraft is about the extent of my knowledge.
18:46:52 <KaylaCypherpunkC> @rehrar how went the monopoly xmr version btw?
18:46:54 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Oh wait, needmoney90 had me get the Sekiro game so he could laugh at me.
18:47:18 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Kayla it's up now.
18:47:22 <Snipa> PUBG is alright.  I'm currently super-excited waiting for Cyberpunk 2077, but I'm trying to avoid as much of the hype cycle as I can so I can just dive in deep.
18:47:44 <Snipa> I'm half-surprised no-one's tried to do a D&D monero or something like that.
18:47:54 <KaylaCypherpunkC> oooooooh :O
18:47:57 <KaylaCypherpunkC> thats......
18:48:01 <KaylaCypherpunkC> thats actually an idea
18:48:06 <asymptotically> exchanges & scammers roleplay
18:48:15 <KaylaCypherpunkC> x)
18:48:33 <Snipa> Probally go off GURPS rather than D&D, buuuuut, you could use paranoia as a base...
18:48:58 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I don't know what any of that means. XD
18:49:43 <Snipa> Turn Friend Computer into The Blockchain, mix in a little esoteric reading of hashes off the chain as commands from "The Blockchain" ala Wanted...
18:49:52 <Snipa> Man, that could be really, really comically fun.
18:50:06 <rehrar> I am here. In the flesh.
18:50:37 <asymptotically> you shouldn't listen to needmonero90. you should listen to me :D and me say you should play transport tycoon
18:50:59 <rehrar> is it fun?
18:51:12 <rehrar> needmoney90 wanted me to stream games so people could laugh at me playing them.
18:51:18 <rehrar> I did it a few times and it was pretty fun.
18:52:00 <Snipa> Ooooh.  Could do a Monero Factorio server.
18:52:05 <Snipa> I feel like this community would enjoy that.
18:52:20 <asymptotically> isnt factorio just transport tycoon with guns?
18:52:43 <Snipa> The artillery trains make it worth it.
18:56:14 <rehrar> Alright, I bit the bullet and got IRCCloud
18:56:18 <rehrar> on recommendation from sarang
18:56:41 <Snipa> I just run ZNC bouncers, simpler and under my control.
18:57:30 <rehrar> I'm not as cool as you Snipa
18:57:39 <rehrar> I'm a scrub.
18:57:45 <Snipa> Gotta up your game.
18:57:48 <rehrar> You are to me what I am to the telegram people.
18:58:16 <rehrar> Up my game, huh? Gotta squat heavier?
18:58:26 <Snipa> Body-weight squats or bust.
18:58:39 <rehrar> wat? brih.
18:58:49 <rehrar> You need that them there bar and plates.
18:59:08 <Snipa> Right, if you're not squatting your weight, you're doing it wrong. :P
18:59:38 <rehrar> ah, I thought you meant body-weight squats. As in, just the weight of your body. No bar.
18:59:49 <Snipa> Oh, no, those are practically useless. :P
19:00:06 <rehrar> Gotta compound lift. The big five.
19:00:27 <Snipa> Squat, Dead, OHP, Bench, Rows is what I was doing last.
19:00:36 <rehrar> :') It's beautiful.
19:00:51 <rehrar> Come to my home gym, Snipa. We can lift.
19:00:56 <Snipa> Once work calms down, I can't wait to get back to lifting.
19:01:00 * asymptotically is sick
19:01:04 <asymptotically> stop, i'm allergic to exercise
19:01:18 <Snipa> My biggest issue is that the power-racks at the gym are too short for me to properly do OHP's.
19:01:55 <rehrar> I bought a cage that has Js that attach to the outside of the rack so I can put the bar there.
19:02:10 <rehrar> do press outside the cage
19:03:00 <rehrar> But enough posturing for cred, let's talk Monero.
19:03:04 <Snipa> Unfortunately, my garage is full of a gen coupe that isn't running for the last 8-10 months, so I don't have room for a rack. :P
19:03:30 <rehrar> Snipa, I turned my garage into the gym. Screw everything else.
19:03:50 <Snipa> That would mean I can't work on my WRX in there. :(  This is unacceptable.
19:04:04 <rehrar> KaylaCypherpunkC: are you an expert at everything yet?
19:04:15 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: wdym? XD
19:04:25 <rehrar> I gave you a task like fifteen minutes ago.
19:04:32 <rehrar> I would have thought it'd be done by now.
19:04:35 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: i aint expert at anything, am the most retarded bitch out there or something  xD
19:04:39 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: oh, what task?
19:04:43 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: sowry, might have missed that
19:04:47 <rehrar> running the entire Monero infrastructure
19:05:11 <derpy_bridge> [keybase] <kaylasu>: what's the monero infrastructure tho?
19:06:14 <Snipa> Couple of tin cans, some wire, and some good ole ingenuity.
19:08:00 <rehrar> We're on a bit of a shoestring budget.
19:08:18 <rehrar> But we can pay you in a nice firm pat on the back.
19:08:39 <KaylaCypherpunkC> */me HEADPATSLUT* UwU
19:08:41 <KaylaCypherpunkC> :D
19:08:59 <KaylaCypherpunkC> i guess.. just have to know what the "infrastructure" u referring to even is xD
19:09:47 <rehrar> I'm joking. No worries. We could never replace the god that is pigeons
19:10:01 <KaylaCypherpunkC> :sob:
19:12:09 <rehrar> Snipa why did you not come to C3? :(
19:12:24 <Snipa> Because I found out it was a thing a week and a half before it kicked off. :P
19:12:37 <rehrar> Plenty of time.
19:12:47 <Snipa> I'm already working out how I'm doing C3, DefCon (Ezmode), and Konfrencico this year.
19:13:14 <rehrar> asymptotically: your excuse?
19:13:21 <rehrar> We need more XMR representation.
19:13:27 <KaylaCypherpunkC> @rehrar btw, what was the platform u were writing from earlier through "xmrmatterbridge"? was it from matrix? cause couldnt find the xmr's matrix
19:13:33 <Snipa> Mattermost
19:13:34 <rehrar> KaylaCypherpunkC: same question
19:13:56 <Snipa> Also, I sort of figure I want to attend the conferences in my LM role.
19:13:57 <rehrar> mattermost.getmonero.org
19:14:10 <KaylaCypherpunkC> oh alrighty, thanks <3
19:14:32 <Snipa> But taking time off work means 2 weeks advance notice minimum. :P
19:14:57 <rehrar> LM has good benefits.
19:15:02 <rehrar> No dental though.
19:15:13 <Snipa> Eh, dental's overrated.  Visions the one I care about.
19:17:02 <rehrar> How much to quit your job and do Monero full time?
19:17:09 <rehrar> At least $10/mo?
19:18:35 <rehrar> Oh, Kayla, you don't need to put @ to ping someone on IRC.
19:18:42 <rehrar> Just their name let's them know.
19:18:57 <rehrar> Speaking of name, I should rebrand.
19:19:20 <Snipa> I considered rebranding into Snipa22, but that seems like way too much effort.
19:19:32 <KaylaCypherpunkC> habits be hard to get rid off tho :D
19:20:40 <rehrar> Perhaps I'll be something stupid like diegosalazar
19:20:49 <rehrar> Where's sgp_?
19:22:38 <rehrar> We had a post-fork lull and then a post-holiday lull. This past quarter had been more lull than anything.
19:23:07 <rehrar> We have to get back on track.
19:23:25 * Snipa will merge as soon as he's home!  And gets his keys out of cold storage.
19:24:16 <rehrar> Oh yeah, you're doing GUI builds too aren't you Snipa?
19:24:27 <Snipa> Yup.
19:24:30 <rehrar> Any ETA on those? For the newest one that was tagged?
19:24:44 <Snipa> Going back through it today, my main PC decided to brick itself in the face.
19:24:58 <Snipa> Which is why I have to get keys out of cold-storage. :D
19:25:37 <Snipa> I had one issue left on the windows builds to work out, which is a pair of DLL's that didn't get included in the static compile.
19:26:13 <Snipa> The linux builds were running into an issue with OpenSSL being included statically.
19:27:06 <rehrar> Aight. Cool. Thanks.
19:31:54 <needmonero90> Snipa oxygen not included > factorio
19:33:44 <needmonero90> Rehrar get ONI :D
19:34:06 <rehrar> What is ONI?
19:37:13 <needmonero90> Oxygen not included
19:37:32 <rottensox> needmonero90: podcast wen?
19:38:08 <needmonero90> When I stop being depressed and figure out a topic
19:39:05 <needmonero90> Rehrar wanna see it?
19:39:50 <rehrar> I'm out and about right now. Will be home in a couple of hours.
19:40:05 <rehrar> rottensox is interested though.
19:40:14 <rottensox> no.
19:41:03 <rehrar> He is always interested in things.
19:41:13 <rottensox> fake news.
19:41:25 <rehrar> Especially in nerdy things.
19:42:52 <rehrar> Will you come to C3 next year rottensox?
19:43:12 <rehrar> Tons of FOSS projects there.
19:43:26 <rottensox> if i have monies, i guess.
19:43:46 <rottensox> i'd live conference hopping, if pocket allowed.
19:44:05 <rehrar> Oof. That's a rough life, bro.
19:44:34 <needmonero90> Snipa: if you like factorio, try oxygen not included
19:44:35 <rehrar> But perhaps you got more wanderlust than me.
19:44:45 <rottensox> prolly.
19:45:11 <rehrar> Conference travel is the worst kind of travel though. You don't see anything. Airport > hotel > conference > hotel > airport
19:45:45 <rottensox> well... depending on the individual there's also a truckload of shenanigans in between.
19:45:51 * rottensox whistles
19:46:34 <rehrar> I guess if you're not working the conference that's true.
19:46:39 <rehrar> Just attending.
19:46:41 <rottensox> yes sir.
19:46:52 <rehrar> Goodness. I been doing this whole thing all wrong. :P
19:47:07 <rottensox> but if i had to choose between hcpp and 37c3 this year i'd go to the former...
19:54:05 <sgp_> rehrar what was I pinged for
19:54:31 <rehrar> To have fun man.
19:54:33 <sgp_> I just had a crazy weekend so I should be getting back into the usual now
20:18:42 <nioc> rehrar: you just need to spend extra time.  I stayed a week past the end of konferenco
20:20:09 <nioc> "just"
20:24:30 <Snipa> needmonero90 - Played extensively, the modding API is <3
20:24:54 <needmonero90> :D
20:25:07 <needmonero90> I just got to petroleum/oxylite rocket launches
20:25:31 <needmonero90> Trying to capture some of the heat with steam and slagging my insulation lol
20:25:57 <Snipa> Good job. :P
20:26:12 <needmonero90> Idk if that's hard or normal to do
20:26:18 <needmonero90> It took me a friggin while
20:26:31 <Snipa> I haven't done rockets yet, I'm terrible at keeping everyone alive long enough.
20:26:54 <needmonero90> It took some doing
20:27:06 <needmonero90> I have three oil wells on my map lol
20:27:14 <needmonero90> Constant 10kg/s crude production
20:27:24 <needmonero90> I have to stop it sometimes because my crude lake is too big
20:27:43 <Snipa> Yup, last time my issue was the oil bearing areas killed everyone.  I really need to get into the habit of using exosuits.
20:28:11 <needmonero90> I rush exosuits and they basically live in them
20:28:40 <Snipa> Yeah, I've wanted to, but tend to fail at it.  The mods make my life easier, like the massive air tanks and such so I can manage gasses easier.
20:28:45 <needmonero90> Sucks for new people, but otherwise pretty not bad
20:28:55 <needmonero90> Oh, I just build infinite gas/liquid pressure storage
20:29:08 <needmonero90> I've even moved into modifying the designs other people made :)
20:29:13 <Snipa> The old compressor techniques?
20:29:13 <needmonero90> No mods needed
20:29:19 <Snipa> W/ the doors?
20:29:33 <needmonero90> Nah, vent with a smidge of liquid on it
20:30:01 <needmonero90> Considering that I have 16000kg co2 a tile in it, it works well
20:30:26 <Snipa> Ahhh, yeah.
20:30:30 <Snipa> I do like that system.
20:30:38 <needmonero90> Also supercoolant OP
20:30:40 <Snipa> What about liquid?  Doesn't work for that I thought.
20:30:47 <needmonero90> Liquid storage is ez too
20:30:54 <needmonero90> You need a heavier/lighter liquid
20:30:54 <Snipa> Dig massive pit, wait?
20:31:02 <Snipa> Aha, interesting, I hadn't explored that.
20:31:53 <needmonero90> Nah you use airflow tiles to surround it. Then depending on whether it's a heavy or light liquid it's flipped upside down (heavy liquid needs a pressure sensor too)
20:32:07 <needmonero90> Light liquids just need 700kg of a heavy liquid
20:32:11 <Snipa> Iiiinteresting.
20:32:39 <needmonero90> Like. You cover a vent with 700kg crude and then let it spill over into another room surrounded in airflow tiles and a pump
20:32:48 <needmonero90> Water spill over*
20:33:01 <needmonero90> The vent is immersed in crude so it never overpressurizes
20:37:50 * needmonero90 takes it to PM
21:02:57 <rehrar> Do you guys want Monero socks? Is that a desire?
21:41:11 <kinghat> sgp_: are you slicing the defcon vids now or what are you releasing?
21:41:51 <sgp_> kinghat: they're on the official defcon channel https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBiCOF12ZYejtj21sI1jm0I
21:41:52 <monerobux> [ DEF CON 27 Monero Village - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com
21:42:06 <sgp_> will share the final 2 tomorrow
21:43:32 <kinghat> so not the original source ones that you wanted to slice up cuz koalaty?
21:55:47 <sgp_> kinghat: no, I didn't splice up the originals since I wasn't able to get the videos from them
21:56:21 <sgp_> next year maybe we can try to splice it again
21:57:51 <kinghat> got ya
23:49:14 <hyc> anyone going to FOSDEM?
23:50:29 <hyc> we should run a workshop at a non-crypto conference - get all the attendees to use the monero software
23:51:34 <hyc> and give feedback on good/bad
23:51:34 <hyc> https://www.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/eo8xwj/diego_salazar_monero_is_ugly_and_difficult_to_use/
23:51:34 <monerobux> [REDDIT] Diego Salazar - Monero is UGLY and DIFFICULT to use (DEF CON 27 Monero Village) (https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8osfuktRWx4) to r/Monero | 17 points (80.0%) | 6 comments | Posted by SamsungGalaxyPlayer | Created at 2020-01-13 - 19:30:29