12:19:34 <ErCiccione[m]> An update about the Monero integration on Bisq: The incubator project, where the monero integration was being develped, is being nixed. So, the future of a better Monero integration in Bisq is even more stalled than it was before
12:19:36 <ErCiccione[m]> https://github.com/bisq-network/proposals/issues/122#issuecomment-572785697
12:20:25 <ErCiccione[m]> Well, i cannot say i'm surprised :)
12:25:09 <gingeropolous> it could be forked, developed, and maintained though right?
12:25:37 <sgp_> (quick reminder the coffee chat is today at 17 UTC, being run by rehrar)
12:26:46 <selsta> 13:25 <gingeropolous> it could be forked, developed, and maintained though right? <-- Not sure if we have devs for this.
12:27:28 <gingeropolous> hrm "n, instead of the PR submitted by @niyid that proposes to directly add a Monero wallet into Bisq (which seems to lack consensus)"
12:27:56 <gingeropolous> so its up against an ideology wall it seems
12:28:10 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: seems like they're caught in some administrative ideology issues that are harming the whole thing
12:28:43 <sgp_> xmr/btc volumes are down recently but nothing else is up
12:29:30 <sgp_> Having a system built around xmr is so obvious for a niche application
12:30:06 <gingeropolous> well, monero's gonna end up pissing any developers off within the next year as we integrate new ring sig schemes with potentially new multisig stuffs
12:30:49 <ErCiccione[m]> bisq is slowly killing themselves. This is only one of the reasons
12:30:57 <sgp_> gingeropolous: I need to ask around and see what other companies have used that stuff for already
12:31:13 <ErCiccione[m]> i've been speaking with some community memebers about the possibility to fork bisq and create a "Misq" based on Monero
12:31:46 <sgp_> ErCiccione[m]: is there a lot of dev interest?
12:32:24 <ErCiccione[m]> I spoke with 2 people and they were both interested in working in different parts, with limited dedicated time tho
12:32:31 <sgp_> Add an xmr and shielded (only) zec pair as an item on my wish list
12:33:44 <ErCiccione[m]> i believe if we gather enough devs to cover all the main aspects of developing a platform like bisq, the project would be doable
12:34:10 <ErCiccione[m]> i started to look into this deepluy months ago, but now i have limited time and i'm dedicating it to monero stuff
12:34:56 <ErCiccione[m]> As soon as i'll be more free i intend to start contacting more devs to see who could be interested in putting some time in this project
12:35:17 <gingeropolous> i mean, i know atomic swaps aren't right around the corner...
12:35:26 <gingeropolous> well, i guess a marketplace would still be needed
12:35:41 <ErCiccione[m]> i roughly have an idea of the resources needed, i just need to transform the idea in a practical project
12:36:13 <ErCiccione[m]> i encourage anybody interested in a bisq-like decentralized exchange to PM me
12:36:44 <ErCiccione[m]> *interested in contributing in
12:36:50 <asymptotically> sorry, i missed the start of this convo :x - i thought bisq listed pairs with monero? or is there a big problem with bisq that i missed?
12:37:35 <ErCiccione[m]> i won't be able to answer for some hours, since i'm going to go AFK, but i think bisq will be dead quite soon and a monero-based bisq could be the alternative
12:38:31 <ErCiccione[m]> asymptotically: there is really a lot to say, but bisq has fucked up on multiple sides, beside the absurd dev process and a tendence to centralization (which is an oxymoron for a platform claming to be a DEX),
12:38:48 <gingeropolous> asymptotically, i think the idea was to have monero as a base currency. i dunno the details of ErCiccione[m] 's concerns.
12:39:17 <asymptotically> hmm i'll have to look into it. i noticed they had their own weird token thing to pay devs but i didn't think anything of that
12:39:33 <gingeropolous> oh that happened
12:40:24 <ErCiccione[m]> the token is hyperinflating like there is no tomorrow. They tried to fix using the BTC donations to buy BSQ and burn them,
12:40:47 <ErCiccione[m]> now they realized it's not working enough and they decided to drastically cut payments for dev
12:41:09 <ErCiccione[m]> which are obviously pissed
12:41:48 <ErCiccione[m]> if that wasn't enough, they are considering delisting all coins which are not the main traded ones, which is pissing of a big portion of the community
12:42:49 <ErCiccione[m]> And we are not even talking about the 2 yars old features ready to be merged, still waiting and a horrible UI which crash 1 out of 2 times
12:43:16 <ErCiccione[m]> I will stop here tho :P
12:44:39 <asymptotically> thanks :) even if bisq was without those issues, i think one with an xmr base pair would be very nice
12:45:04 <ErCiccione[m]> The good thing is that all devs running away from bisq could be interesting in working in a monero-based bisq-like platform
12:47:44 * ErCiccione[m] afk, will be back this evening, european time
12:48:06 <ErCiccione[m]> god i'm really butchering english these days, will pay more attention.
16:31:02 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> If the vast majority of trades on Bisq are btc--> xmr then would a xmr bass currency even make sense? I thought the situation was people were selling their btc at a premium there, and in return people had a non-kyc way to buy xmr.
16:31:28 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> Is this not the case?
16:49:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> who wants to do coffee chat?
16:53:26 <jwinterm> learninandlurkin I think the idea is to allow for direct fiat-xmr trades
16:53:35 <jwinterm> but honestly I have never used bisq
16:53:40 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> jwinterm join cofee chat
16:53:51 <jwinterm> who wants to run some java app just to trade coins?
16:54:07 <jwinterm> I have to cook breakfast for three evil demons
17:03:55 <ArticMine> What is the link for coffee chat?
17:04:42 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> I would if I were not on mobile
17:04:55 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> oh shoot ArticMine.
17:05:03 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> I just rescheduled it.
17:05:12 <ArticMine> to
17:05:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Next week.
17:05:26 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> :(
17:05:31 <ArticMine> ok
22:44:27 <thunderosa> Does anyone know how to get a hold of selene, the author of Primo?
23:10:25 <rehrar> yo where are my peeps?
23:12:40 <jwinterm> salt lake city?
23:13:06 <rehrar> is it the place to be?
23:13:35 <jwinterm> seems kinda lame but apparently vespco is there
23:14:26 <rehrar> sgp_ coffee chat next week brih