16:42:38 Meeting in 18 minutes 16:46:14 oh, right. we got a meeting today. 16:46:19 will be here. :) 16:55:32 what up kids 16:57:39 my cholesterol 17:00:00 ok kiddos, Justin is going to be about 15 minutes late or so, so I'm hosting this shindig today 17:00:13 Oh, ok. 17:00:17 oh you're here 17:00:19 great 17:00:23 No. You do this. 17:00:25 I can fob it off on you \o/ 17:00:26 I want to see. 17:00:37 pressure 17:00:47 but then I need to pay attention and I woke up 15m ago when my phone buzzed with justin saying you were lazy and inaccessible 17:01:02 (my words not his) 17:01:07 Do it. Do it. Do it. 17:01:11 D:< 17:01:16 Come on everyone. Join the chant. 17:01:21 Do it. Do it. Do it. 17:01:32 we can swap off on sections? :D 17:01:37 0. Introduction 17:01:37 We would like to welcome everyone to this Monero Community Workgroup Meeting! 17:01:37 Link to agenda on GitHub: https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/424 17:01:37 Monero Community meetings are a discussion place for anything going on in the Monero Community, including other Monero workgroups. We use meetings to encourage the community to share ideas and provide support. 17:01:52 Hi 17:01:56 1. Greetings 17:02:00 hi 17:02:03 hi 17:02:19 Anyone else here this fine day? :D 17:02:38 hi 17:02:43 I 17:03:02 that makes 5! That is more than three 17:03:20 2. Community highlights 17:03:20 See Monero weekly highlights at https://revuo-monero.com 17:03:20 Cake Wallet android was just released. 17:03:20 Does anyone have community (non-workgroup) updates to share? 17:03:29 wait 17:03:35 didnt mean to send all that at once 17:04:02 belated greetings from me :) 17:04:04 Cake Wallet android was just released! Nice work to the cakewallet team, you're going to be a thorn in my side recommending wallets now. I can't just say monerujo without thinking anymore 17:04:25 diversity! 17:04:32 mymonero android soon 17:04:42 yeah but who uses mymonero anyways 17:04:54 Hi 17:04:56 :) 17:04:59 hello! 17:05:18 Other than cakewallet, do we have any community updates to share? 17:05:41 needmonero90: a lot of mrl members use it 17:05:53 we dont even have to pay them 17:05:58 lol. 17:06:15 I've been checked out the past week or two due to family and holiday considerations, so I have no updates from the moderation side of things 17:06:15 o/ 17:06:19 \o 17:06:24 o/ 17:06:29 msvb-mob is here! 17:06:36 k, let's go to point 3 then. 17:07:05 3. CCS updates! 17:07:14 research funding for 2020 Q1 (575.5 / 695 XMR) https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/sarang-2020-q1.html 17:07:36 The MRL are the grease that keeps our wheels turning, without them we would rapidly grind to a halt 17:08:07 If you're reading this, and want to contribute to Monero, the MRL is one of the biggest impact things you can donate to 17:08:08 aye. 17:08:21 Don't think, just do 17:08:41 3 months part time work on Getmonero.org (5.3 / 174 XMR) 17:08:46 I don't have the link handy atm 17:08:54 Who is this for, rehrar? 17:09:01 ErCiccione[m], i reckon. 17:09:05 ye 17:09:06 Aha 17:09:10 https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/ErCiccione-website-jan-march.html 17:09:16 Great, thank you 17:10:33 sure 17:10:35 fund both 17:10:51 The getmonero website is the portal to the hearts and minds of the masses, and if it isn't pretty and functional, we're going to lose people before they've even started 17:11:35 Not everyone is a power user who can spend hours diving for the data they need, erciccione is doing valuable work too :) 17:12:08 Also localization, that's big too 17:12:31 Any other CCS comments before moving on? 17:12:43 Anyone who contributes to Monero and its community is doing valuable work. 17:13:04 Agree 17:13:13 :) 17:13:41 Okay, moving on! 17:13:44 4. Workgroup report 17:14:01 a. Daemon/CLI workgroup 17:14:01 There were some new networking developments and discussions about how to better communicate between the daemon/wallet and an anonymity network 17:14:28 I presume this is in reference to a swappable layer like tor or i2p 17:14:58 Would certainly make things easier 17:15:21 Anyone here who participated in that discussion? 17:15:44 * needmonero90 may be going too quickly 17:16:01 Is this too fast? 17:16:34 no 17:16:42 nobody typically responds to anything anyways 17:16:44 No it is fine 17:16:52 #monerocommunity 17:17:13 exactly... 17:17:17 just keep on going. 17:17:33 these meetings are pretty much a refreshing stance of things... 17:17:53 are we done yet? 17:17:56 Yep, still, I don't want a recorded log of my incompetence :) 17:17:59 no lol. 17:18:09 so slow 17:18:09 you're a sweetheart cutie needmonero90. 17:18:10 xoxo 17:18:14 lol midipoet. 17:18:15 b. Localization workgroup 17:18:15 ErCiccione any update? 17:18:32 I assume he isn't present 17:18:37 don't think he's here today. Didn't even comment on his CCS proposal when up for "discussion" 17:18:38 Due to the previous ping 17:19:08 Sorry. I'm trying to act like a typical peanut gallery to give you the real experience needmoney90 17:19:38 c. GUI workgroup 17:19:38 There was a point release (no binaries yet for the newbs) https://github.com/monero-project/monero-gui/releases/tag/v0.15.0.3 17:20:20 yeah, I saw that the other day 17:20:24 selsta? 17:20:40 Wen binaries 17:20:48 no idea 17:20:51 :) 17:21:29 What got fixed and added? 17:21:34 I assume just fixed 17:22:33 * needmonero90 waits a bit 17:22:54 See the release notes, mostly bug fixes and a new blur effect when the wallet it locked. 17:23:07 Also there were crashes which are now fixed. 17:23:13 blur effects 17:23:19 it also says that the sidebar was redone? 17:23:40 Blur effects are big 17:23:52 Game changer 17:24:01 stealth mode. 17:24:18 We need a better name for blur effects. Something easier to shill 17:24:28 invisible mode. 17:24:34 Nice 17:25:13 Oh you're back 17:25:23 anyway no ETA for bins 17:25:27 Kinda, on mobile 17:25:32 can be weeks if there will be any lol 17:25:36 hopefully 17:25:40 .soon 17:25:40 Two weeks™ 17:25:52 (not xiphon’s fault, he had bins ready almost 2 weeks ago) 17:26:03 selsta, you're the new binary guy? 17:26:13 Xiphon* 17:26:15 no 17:26:33 oh. So what are we waiting on? 17:27:02 Moon 17:27:02 bf to sign and someone to put on the site? 17:27:18 who are we waiting on right now? 17:27:19 core team can comment on this if they want 17:27:29 Snipa will do builds going forward 17:27:34 but he has no env yet 17:27:41 so no ETA 17:27:47 gotcha 17:28:42 Alright, time to move on? 17:28:46 ye. 17:28:56 d. Outreach workgroup 17:28:56 The RPC-Pay and Chinese perspective articles are nearly ready to go 17:29:57 Oops 17:30:09 OK, is anyone from outreach here? 17:30:24 thunderosa 17:31:08 xmrhaelan is usually around too, but seem like they're idle... 17:31:13 [crickets] 17:31:21 Yes, we're putting the final touches on both. 17:31:25 there ya go. 17:31:27 Hey! 17:31:32 Hey 17:31:42 What are the articles on? Specifically the second one 17:32:14 The plan is to drop the Chinese piece tomorrow am....TBD on the RPC-Pay piece,...we were looking at putting press support on that one. 17:35:26 OK! Looking forward to reading them when they come out. 17:35:27 Hey sorry,...didn't catch that it was a meeting 17:35:37 So Chinese Persepective piece, Chinese author: 17:35:37 https://www.monerooutreach.org/monero-china-west.php 17:35:37 https://www.monerooutreach.org/1-01/2020-003.php 17:35:37 We're wanting to publish both languages at once,...so we're getting our Chinese side in shape. 17:35:50 :D 17:36:11 https://www.monerooutreach.org/stories/RPC-Pay.php 17:36:28 We'd especially like critical feedback on the RPC-Pay piece. 17:36:50 There's more technical content in that one and we want to make sure we're accurate in all things. 17:37:01 I'll take a look after the meeting 17:37:30 moo should read he RPC pay article 17:37:30 Is that it for outreach updates? 17:37:52 Ah shit there's a whole bunch of stuff,...but I'm really not prepared :) 17:38:13 That's fine! 17:38:17 just type a thi8ng or two 17:38:19 We're working on implementing the RPC-Pay stuff,...using Primo and using that to incentivize contributors 17:38:40 Basically a straight up rev share for anyone who makes cool stuff 17:39:11 I'll have a better report in a few weeks,...but that's the big push right now. 17:39:39 Primo is the hashing micropayment system right? 17:39:49 Thinking that the community calendar and merhcant directory could also reward it's contributors and maintainers. 17:39:53 Yeah 17:39:57 it's an Apache module 17:40:12 We're getting out node up and then we're going to plug that baby in 17:40:27 and see if it s works like we think it might 17:41:23 So it's in beta atm? 17:41:30 By next week we should have a proof on concept,..it's involving a server migration and stuff so that's bogging things down a bit. But the other side is looking good. 17:41:36 Can someone make an aggregate RPC-Pay program where payments can be allocated to a user ID that's registered with the system? Is that possible? 17:41:38 Pre-beta :) 17:41:57 Ooo 17:41:59 Yeah, that's the idea,..we're data based in our content 17:42:10 and the CRM can track the traffic share with no problem 17:42:16 Then it effectively serves as a mining pool. Very cool thunderosa 17:42:32 and any author can claim their share or donate it to a workgroup or devs or whatever 17:42:53 kinda,..I hadn't thought of it that way,...but you're right,...it's a content mining pool 17:43:14 fun stuff. 17:43:24 if it works,..I thought MoneroMemes could try it out too 17:43:46 I'll be setting up a repo in the next few weeks,...it'll all be there. 17:44:35 Cool! 17:45:02 seems like we're doing other stuff too,..but that's the big unifying thing right now and all I got for an update :) 17:45:18 Alright great, onwards! 17:45:27 36C3 17:45:31 The 36c3 was a success in many ways, attracting large crowds. All talks were streamed here: https://youtube.com/c/monerocommunityworkgroup 17:45:32 [ Monero Community Workgroup - YouTube ] - youtube.com 17:45:41 hmm? 17:45:49 i thought it was hardware next... 17:45:50 I came on to find hyc and saw this. Thanks Thunderosa! 17:45:52 https://github.com/monero-project/meta/issues/424 17:45:58 That's f 17:46:01 In my list 17:46:11 lol. alrite. 17:46:15 E is 36c3 unless sgp_ linked the wrong text 17:46:19 To me 17:46:22 Anyways 17:46:32 what stops primo from being deployed maliciously (sorry if stupid question) 17:46:35 How was 36c3? 17:46:40 finally made it through all the talks. now i need to go back and watch the defcon talks. is there an official playlist or just the one sgp_ put together? 17:46:47 Oh back up 17:46:53 I made the notes in haste, sorry 17:47:01 54 talks, 21 hours of content 17:47:07 kinghat: the events were recorded locally but need to be sliced 17:47:08 Sorry midipoet, I moved too quickly 17:47:14 oof. 17:47:18 I offered to slice them if I get the raw files 17:47:27 But I don't have them 17:47:28 no, that's ok... continue on. just processing the primo / RPC-Pay info 17:47:57 kinghat: for Defcon, use the official Decfoncobference YouTube channel playlist 17:48:07 *conference 17:48:15 Decfon 17:48:18 Lol 17:48:22 this was the playlist i bookmarked: https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PLsSYUeVwrHBm0oAEyRxZIMFxCwNNmybBH 17:48:23 [ Defcon 2019 - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 17:48:24 Lol 17:48:27 That mobile keyboard 17:49:04 https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL9fPq3eQfaaBiCOF12ZYejtj21sI1jm0I 17:49:05 [ DEF CON 27 Monero Village - YouTube ] - www.youtube.com 17:49:09 Use that one 17:49:17 I have yet to see any of the c3 talks 17:49:18 aye. 17:49:29 needmonero90: highly recommend first day, thoroughly. 17:49:32 was a great one. 17:49:36 Any specifics? 17:49:49 all to be honest, but closing keynote by daniel was outstanding. 17:50:01 bummed he didn't finish all the slides... 17:50:27 2nd day i just caught the last two talks, and they were good as well. 17:50:32 the rest i haven't watched. 17:50:43 sgp_: are these not "sliced up" or ami missing something? 17:50:48 too much content to catch up with. 17:51:04 Story of my life, rotten 17:51:57 just give your life an RSS 17:52:10 i am the man of rss feeds sir. 17:52:15 okokok we're digressing. 17:52:19 what's next? 17:53:41 needmonero90: these two from day 2, were good. https://frab.riat.at/en/36C3/public/events/123.html https://frab.riat.at/en/36C3/public/events/163.html 17:53:48 locally recorded video will be sliced into individual presentations and uploaded to ccc media server. no word on ETA. 17:53:50 as i said, the two closing talks of day 2. 17:54:13 ajs based. thank you very much for the livestream and a/v stuff. don't think these events would be as great if it weren't because of you. 17:54:19 round of applauses for papa ajs. 17:54:30 17:55:51 nm90 went mia? lol. 17:56:04 sorry 17:56:15 stepped away from my keyboard for a moment 17:56:34 thanks, but most of the hard work was done by a pro videographer and sound sound engineer that helped out 17:56:49 nice, glad to hear that. 17:56:56 so, msvb-mob msvb-lab you there? 17:56:59 Yes. 17:57:01 great 17:57:06 f. Hardware workgroup 17:57:09 The hardware team reports late stage beta mechanical engineering, where FDM prin 17:57:09 ts of a enclosure are finished and injection moulding design as well. 17:57:09 In parallel, work is in mid stage (about a month left) of product development and packaged documentation. 17:57:09 That's all, remember there is a #monero-hardware channel for questions and answe 17:57:09 rs. Any questions on mechanical engineering or product development? 17:57:45 msvb-mob: how are the things looking like for the dev kit of kastelo, sir? 17:58:00 msvb-mob: are you alright? i was bummed when you didn't show up for your 36c3 talk. :( 17:58:27 rottensox: Good, we're in product development which includes a lot of boring things like country of origin, taxes, certificates, exceptions, and logistics. 17:58:34 That's in product development, I mean. 17:58:42 oof, all the paperwork... can only imagine. 17:58:48 thanks for doing that though. 17:58:50 My 36C3 talk was not accepted, unfortunately. 17:58:57 oh, i see. 17:59:14 Any questions regarding the stages of hardware engineering we are in now? 17:59:16 Your talk at the CDC was accepted and you were on the schedule. 17:59:31 rehrar: I mean it was not accepted to me, no acceptance message of any kind. 17:59:40 Ah, I see. 17:59:51 :( 18:00:23 so the hardware workgroup is currently working on what? kastello, badges for defcon? 18:00:41 any other neat projects in the works? 18:00:44 needmonero90: Right now no badges (except outside of the Monero Community.) Just Kastelo. 18:01:04 You had to log into frab.riat.at and check 18:01:15 needmonero90: Other projects are outside Monero scope, so nothing to report. 18:01:30 ArticMine: My proposal was erased from frab. 18:01:50 It was probably rejected, but I never received a rejection message either. 18:01:59 Before or after the talk time? 18:02:01 needmonero90: Konferenco is next. 18:02:12 yeah... let's move on, shall we? 18:02:14 ok! 18:02:17 ok 18:02:19 none of what we say we'll roll back time and make it happen. 18:02:22 g. Konferenco workgroup 18:02:31 progress is slow and ongoing 18:02:43 First, remember that there is a #monero-konferenco channel for detailed conversa 18:02:43 tions. 18:02:54 I haven't been involved in the conversation, I need to tune in 18:02:56 Scouting venues for the Konferenco 2020 has mostly concluded, and the results are reported in project management task number 40. 18:03:01 https://taiga.getmonero.org/project/michael-konferenco/task/40/ 18:03:12 * rottensox clicks 18:03:59 A lot of details are not public, like the exact prices and conditions for each venue. This information is offered to the person who takes the boss role, CEO or whatever. 18:04:17 Are these details not public at the request of the venues? 18:04:17 Including many megaoctets (giga?) of photos and media. 18:04:18 None require catering, right? 18:04:48 rehrar: Other way around, to publish details I need to get permission from about twenty people who are sometimes responsive only after three weeks of repetition emails. 18:05:21 needmonero90: I think only one venue requires in house catering, let me try to find out which one... 18:05:29 Ah, you are taking the stance of privacy first unless given permission to share these details by the venues 18:05:41 private by default is the monero way 18:05:56 Kulturbrauerei requires in house catering, like about 4500 EUR of costs. 18:06:12 yes, but if they didn't request this info be private, then it hinders the planning to not share imo 18:06:27 I'm certain that anyone else who would make a request would get prices and stuff all the same 18:06:48 its a courtesy thing, this is their business model 18:06:54 I see. 18:07:11 rehrar: I assume that nobody will offer to lead the project and that there will be no Konferenco 2020 for that reason. As soon as a boss appears, they can choose to publish all the nonpublic information (at great risk to our common future of course.) 18:08:02 Either that or we decide on bounds for pricing and capacity, and trust the organizer to optimize for venue 18:08:05 I really don't think there will be a Konferenco 2020, but I'm going to keep distilling and perfecting our venue scouting information until a final report as well as party place and accommodation hotel is clearly chosen. 18:08:12 In the event that nobody offers to lead the project for Europe, I and potentially others will make an attempt to make it happen in the USA or Mexico. :) 18:08:40 if rehrar is in, he's gonna rope me into it to 18:08:50 EU peeps step up plz. ;) 18:08:56 rehrar: Do you have a strategy for not waiting too long (for a European leader to appear) so that a north american event is not too late in planning and therefore cancelled as well? 18:09:18 Wait until end of Q1 18:09:22 msvb-mob: maybe you could do some version of your talk in an upcoming coffee chat? 18:09:34 if nothing, plan for Q3 or Q4. 18:09:44 kinghat: I'm already scheduled to do the same talk at Disobey 2020 and FOSDEM. 18:09:58 shit schoolboy mistake with time, missed meeting 18:10:01 Even if nobody steps up for this year, all the info you've gathered is still valuable msvb-mob. It can be available for whoever wants to run one in Europe in later years. 18:10:09 very cool msvb-mob 👍 18:10:10 rehrar: Sounds good, the schedule method. To not wait too long. 18:10:59 needmonero90: Next topic? 18:11:18 5. Open ideas time 18:11:18 It’s open ideas time! Feel free to propose your ideas to this discussion group, and feel free to comment on others’ ideas. If you disagree with the idea, please reply with constructive criticism. Thank you! 18:11:25 ...or does ajs have any reporting on Konferenco, as he has done a lot of work as well? 18:12:01 we're running a bit over, so I think we can skip this part 18:12:31 binaryFate: You're fired. 18:12:40 I can comment on GUI builds after meeting is over if anyone is interested 18:13:13 6. Confirm next meeting date/time 18:13:14 The next community meeting will be in 2 weeks on 18 January at 17:00 UTC. 18:13:14 The next Coffee Chat is on Saturday January 11 at 17:00 UTC. sgp_ will not be present, so he will need someone else to host. Please DM him if you can help, it will probably end up being rehrar or myself. 18:13:16 I've made some a/v inquiries and set up a telegram group at https://t.me/joinchat/PmC9ihaLP0UZF-bfkD36CA 18:13:36 * needmonero90 waits for the konferenco discussion to finish 18:13:47 sorry, I keep moving on and then people come back :) 18:13:57 I always do this 18:15:16 to continue talk on konferenco, pop in #monero-konferenco or the telegram group 18:15:31 thanks :) 18:15:34

kinghat: I'm already scheduled to do the same talk at Disobey 2020 and FOSDEM. 18:15:35 wow, do link us to such talks when they get posted on their respective schedules, please. 18:15:52