00:11:17 <needmonero90> learninandlurkin: Here you go https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/gckQel0B/meetingdec7.txt
01:39:37 <xmrscott[m]> <rehrar "All this being said, a legit mar"> Associate with solid projects like Librem5 via LibremPay
01:40:21 <xmrscott[m]> Although to be fair, the Librem5 has a fair amount of detractors as of late due to arguably trolls like jay and linuxman95
01:41:16 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Ye
05:14:45 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> Ty needmoney
10:38:27 <Guest95667> Sorry, i missed the meeting yesterday. I have connections problems (no wifi) that should be fixed tomorrow
11:20:45 <midipoet> just reading about that new EIP that went live:
11:20:56 <midipoet> EIP-152: Add Black2 compression function ‘F’ precompile. This EIP will make it possible for the BLAKE2b hash function to run cheaply on Ethereum. This will improve interoperability between Ethereum and Zcash, enabling contracts like trustless atomic swaps between chains and adding to the network’s privacy features. It will allow for tBTC equivalents but denominated in ZEC.
11:21:23 <midipoet> anybody know much about it? ZEC and ETH trustless atomic swaps is a pretty neat update.
13:42:24 <gingeropolous> whats the translation hub ?
13:42:31 <gingeropolous> like where does it organize
13:42:45 <gingeropolous> re: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/e7ntry/i_would_like_to_contribute/
13:46:49 <Guest95667> gingeropolous: translate.getmonero.org and #monero-translations
13:46:58 <Guest95667> i'm gonna comment on that post now
13:47:17 <gingeropolous> ok
14:51:31 <Inge-> midipoet: z-addresses supported?
14:53:21 <Inge-> usable multisig and atomic swaps are two absolute killer features we should research IMHO
14:57:51 <midipoet> Inge-: to be honest, I don't know. From what I have read it says it allows both SNARKs and STARKs based interoperability, so I would hazard a guess there will be support for z-addresses.
15:09:15 <sarang> On first read, looks like EIP-152 is intended for Equihash verification
15:19:38 <Inge-> sarang: is atomic swap functiobality not yet looked at /in the pipeline/ pie in the sky not possible afauk?
15:20:22 <sarang> There have been some ideas for same-curve and cross-curve swaps, but doing so without affecting distinguishability is unsolved
15:20:36 <sarang> DLSAG is probably the closest right now, and even that has tracing issues
15:20:46 <Inge-> so thos transactions will stand out
15:21:21 <Inge-> but can personal opsec alleviate?  e.g. using separate wallet for the "border" activity?
15:21:57 <Inge-> yes. the swap TX stands out like a sore thumb, but after that - nothing
15:23:03 <sarang> That would probably wreak havoc with decoy selection and all sorts of subtle heuristics
15:24:20 <Inge-> good point.
15:26:37 <Inge-> so pie in the sky with current understanding?
15:27:43 <sarang> There are solutions, but with big tradeoffs
15:27:53 <sarang> I don't know of a solution that removes these tradeoffs
15:28:40 <sarang> What about multisig should be more useable, and in what way?
16:46:39 <vtnerd> Inge- sarang : one thing to point out is that bitcoin taproot gets around this by making everything uniform _until_ the relevant parties disagree (and then the script is revealed)
17:44:31 <Inge-> sarang: my (limited) understanding of monero multisig is that it requires a lot of manual steps and only works via CLI
17:44:45 <Inge-> so much so that it is hardly usable except by experts
17:45:41 <asymptotically> there's the MMS by rbrunner that cuts down on those manual steps :)
17:59:40 <sarang> Unfortunately the use of multiple rounds is needed for the security proofs :/
18:00:57 <Inge-> I rest my case :D
18:01:28 <rottensox> ok.
18:06:10 <sarang> ?
18:39:15 <Inge-> just that it IS difficult
20:27:23 <msvb-mob> ajs[m]: Excellent price quotes. I think the only venue that requires in house A/V staff so far does not forbid renting equipment wherever we want.