03:58:37 <rottensox_> Revuo Issue 36 - http://revuo-monero.com/issue-36.html
14:54:56 <lyza> I'm having a handfull of issues with the new GUI release, guess I'm trying to see if they're known issues or just me. When starting the GUI I am told that the daemon didn't start, but then it gets started and connected. Second is that I'm currently I'm sitting here looking at an open wallet with 1837 wallet blocks remaining. That number is not
14:54:57 <lyza> moving, hasn't moved for several minutes, even though the daemon says it's synchronized. Another thing I'm noticing is that it takes an unusually long amount of time to close a wallet, over 20 seconds
14:58:23 <lyza> closing the wallet where the wallet blocks weren't scanning and re-opening it seems to have resolved the issue -- it finished scanning in like 2 seconds
15:09:11 <selsta> lyza: Are you using simple modeb
15:09:13 <selsta> ?*
15:09:41 <lyza> no, it's in advanced mode
15:10:05 <lyza> simple mode would be a remote daemon, yeah? I've got monerod running on my PC
15:10:14 <selsta> ok, can you try starting monerod manually before opening thr GUI?
15:10:18 <selsta> the*
15:10:37 <selsta> some users seem to have problems with the daemon not starting automatically
15:10:56 <lyza> sure. GUI is working and connected to the daemon rn though. it's like... it takes longer than the GUI expects it to, or something
15:17:03 <selsta> We have had more reports with daemon starting issues this release, we will try to reproduce and fix it.
15:17:23 <selsta> Also can you try restarting your computer and trying again?
15:18:35 <lyza> sure I'll be back in a minute. one more thing to mention before I go: I have log level set to 4 in the GUI but the daemon log isn't printing to the GUI
15:19:02 <lyza> if I type 'status' then it gives me info, though
15:19:29 <selsta> log is usually printed to the console and monero-wallet-gui.log
15:20:25 <lyza> Uploaded file: https://uploads.kiwiirc.com/files/6fa1a7b4e71de4159f2b3e914891c82d/image.png
15:20:37 <lyza> it's not supposed to show the log here?
15:21:13 <lyza> I mean I know where the log file is located so it's not a huge deal.... it just looks like it's supposed to be displayed there in the GUI
15:23:24 <lyza> ok brb then
15:27:33 <selsta> does restarting help with your daemon issue?
15:29:11 <lyza> currently waiting for Daemon to start. I will go ahead and say that earlier this morning when I was having the issue it was right after a fresh reboot.
15:29:30 <lyza> just got 'daemon failed to start' error
15:29:34 <selsta> :/
15:29:45 <selsta> ok seems to be a bug then
15:29:57 <selsta> can you PM me the monero-wallet-gui.log?
15:30:43 <lyza> now it says it's connected and the daemon is sync'd
15:31:22 <lyza> without me restarting the GUI or doing anything. sure, can you remind me where the GUI log is in Windows? AppData?
15:32:17 <lyza> actually this is really weird I don't see monerod.exe in the task manager even though the GUI says it's connected to the daemon
15:34:12 <selsta> AppData Roaming monero-wallet-gui
17:11:56 <rottensox> <rottensox> got a millionaire idea for anyone up to the quest.
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17:12:07 <rottensox> stickers stickers stickers.
18:33:03 <dEBRUYNE> lyza: Do you have a bootstrap node specified on the settings page?
18:36:03 <lyza> dEBRUYNE that setting is blank
18:36:53 <xiphon> dEBRUYNE: lyza: monerod take too long to start
18:37:11 <xiphon> sent a PR increasing daemon start timeout to 120s
18:37:46 <xiphon> lyza: it seems it takes ~90 seconds to start a daemon on your machine while GUI has a timeout of 60 seconds
18:38:39 <lyza> xiphon that was my conclusion as well. is it known why the daemon is now taking longer to start up, though?
18:39:17 <xiphon> nope, didn't investigate this
21:06:27 <midipoet> So, how is everybody's Friday going?! Apologies if you are already into Saturday.
21:09:32 <needmonero90> More involved than most Fridays. Moderation is ramping up in response to the fork.
21:09:41 <needmonero90> Trolls, support questions, you name it
21:09:47 * needmonero90 sighs
21:34:53 <KiloLima> Does anyone remember Piggycoin?
21:35:01 <KiloLima> the crypto for children to learn?
21:47:07 <JOhNKmus> needmonero90: we appreciate you! <3
21:51:48 <xmrscott[m]> When is the fork party going to happen?
21:53:36 <KiloLima> What time does fork occur?
21:55:41 <nioc> block 1978433
21:56:07 <nioc> around 1800UTC which is when the coffee chat is scheduled for
21:56:38 <xmrscott[m]> And we're at 1977833
21:56:49 <nioc> type status into your daemon and it will tell you
21:57:08 <nioc> there is also a countdown timer online somewhere
21:57:37 <xmrscott[m]> So 600 blocks, or roughly 1200 minutes
21:57:46 <xmrscott[m]> (Or 20 hours)
21:57:58 <KiloLima> 0.8 days in status
21:58:11 <KiloLima> so tomorrow?
21:58:20 <nioc> yes
21:58:51 <xmrscott[m]> Yes, nioc is correct, basically standard Coffee Chat time amsunigly enough
21:58:55 <KiloLima> I hope the scheduled execution goes to plan.
21:59:03 <KiloLima> is Coffee Chat time on Jitsi or here?
21:59:10 <xmrscott[m]> (2019/11/30 ~11am MST)
21:59:21 <KiloLima> 11am Mountain Time (US)?
21:59:42 <KiloLima> so 10AM Pacific?
21:59:48 <xmrscott[m]> Correct, I think technically it will actually be like 10:58 if I'm thinking this correctly
22:00:02 <KiloLima> 0958 PST
22:00:12 <nioc> variance
22:00:22 <xmrscott[m]> Or 9:58am Pacific
22:00:30 <nioc> better than the 4am it was last time
22:00:46 <xmrscott[m]> Indeed, at least for US folk
22:01:10 <nioc> east coast
22:01:23 <nioc> I was up for it cause.....
22:01:27 <needmonero90> 4am east coast is 1am US
22:01:27 <nioc> I dunno
22:01:32 <needmonero90> There was no coffee chat then
22:01:34 <needmonero90> Ever
22:02:13 <xmrscott[m]> Also roughly 8pm South Africa time, so not too strenuous for at least binary and fluffy
22:02:20 <xmrscott[m]> *Artic and fluffy
22:02:21 <nioc> did I say coffee chat?
22:02:44 <needmonero90> Someone did, looked like you were responding.
22:02:48 <nioc> the coffee chat was for the anniversary
22:03:08 <nioc> mebbe I was but that was so long ago I forgot
22:03:31 <KiloLima> is SA time the same as Portgual and Ireland/UK?
22:03:35 <xmrscott[m]> Not stressful for Howard either (6pm Ireland)
22:03:50 <needmonero90> Should be 1pm ish eastern US nioc
22:03:53 <needmonero90> From my calcs
22:04:17 <nioc> yes and I canceled an appointment for it because......
22:04:21 <nioc> I dunno
22:04:37 <xmrscott[m]> #priorities
22:04:51 <nioc> yes and want to see my miner switch over
22:05:15 <xmrscott[m]> Yeah, that would be important :)
22:05:53 <nioc> I'm sure everything will work smoothly
22:06:10 <nioc> needmonero90 will make sure of it
22:06:59 <KiloLima> Does coffee flavored vaping count as coffee?
22:07:08 <needmonero90> Does it have caffeine?
22:07:25 <needmonero90> If so, tell me the brand, vapable suspended caffeine solution sounds like a life changer
22:07:30 <nioc> so tea = coffee?
22:07:35 <nioc> great
22:08:06 <needmonero90> That's the biggest issue with society these days. You can't smoke coffee.
22:09:14 * needmonero90 is probably joking. Probably. 
22:11:00 <KiloLima> Just nicotine and CBD.
22:11:03 <KiloLima> no caffeine
22:11:13 <KiloLima> yet caffeine and nicotine sounds like a better match for working
22:11:35 <KiloLima> so if anyone does have coffee flavored caffeine vapor juice, do say
22:21:07 <nioc> for the CCS this is the first page you come to https://ccs.getmonero.org/funding-required/ and shows no donations have been made and when you select it it also shows zero donations  https://ccs.getmonero.org/proposals/surae-q4-funding-2019.html but when you select contribute it shows the donations already made https://ccs.getmonero.org/projects/30/donate
22:21:42 <nioc> Same on 2 different machines each using a different browser
22:22:00 <nioc> rehrar ^^^ needmonero90
22:22:16 <nioc> I know this is not your domain needmonero90
22:22:33 <nioc> but where is Mr rehrar
22:22:37 <needmonero90> This is not my-- oh
22:22:40 <needmonero90> You said that
22:22:49 * needmonero90 doesn't know why he's getting pinged for website stuff 
22:23:03 <nioc> where in the world is diego
22:23:24 <nioc> cause I know you are around
22:25:01 <needmonero90> He sent a message on telegram like 20m ago
22:25:21 <nioc> you see that's why
22:25:28 <nioc> you are all knowing
22:26:00 <needmonero90> I just chewed him out
22:26:27 * needmonero90 waits for Rehrar the lazy to appear
22:26:29 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Hmmm...did mattermost just reconnect or something?
22:26:41 <needmonero90> Excuses
22:27:15 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Oh wait. It just synced everything. Let me go through backlog.
22:27:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> nioc yes the CCS is having a few issues.
22:27:56 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> It was moved to a new server as a precaution after the website hack.
22:28:10 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Pigeons and I are going to try to get it working at 100% this evening.
22:28:19 <nioc> ok thx
22:28:32 <nioc> wasn't sure if you were aware
22:29:00 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> Yeah. We thought we got it working a few days ago, and then it stopped. We're on it. :)
22:29:02 <nioc> but ofc you were
22:29:05 <needmonero90> Thank you for your hard work Mr diego
22:29:11 <midipoet> nioc: did you tell them why you cancelled the appointment?
22:29:25 <nioc> no  lol
22:29:32 <needmonero90> Was probably just a meeting with his cardiologist or something, nbd
22:29:50 <needmonero90> It's not like this stuff is hard on the heart
22:30:35 <nioc> it brings joy :)
22:30:47 <needmonero90> But does it spark joy?
22:31:06 <needmonero90> I heard that's the new thing
22:31:07 <nioc> the difference being?
22:31:14 <midipoet> depends what you spend the Monero on
22:31:14 <nioc> oh
22:31:57 <nioc> well my cat just walked over the other keyboard with the wallet open but she was unsuccessful
22:32:17 <nioc> just dfdfdfdfdfdfdfdfdfdfgr
22:32:24 <midipoet> She's learning slowly
22:32:24 <nioc> did not hit enter
22:33:00 <nioc> a different one market bought on polo years ago :D
22:42:34 <needmonero90> Smart cat
23:00:52 <ASKVAST[m]> Is there a monero comunity on matrix.org to join all monero rooms? If there is what is the alias
23:24:48 <needmonero90> https://www.reddit.com/r/xmrtrader/comments/e3bxdp/daily_discussion_friday_november_29th/f93vnwz
23:24:49 <monerobux> [REDDIT] [Daily Discussion] Friday, November 29th (self.xmrtrader) | 8 points (100.0%) | 13 comments | Posted by AutoModerator | Created at 2019-11-29 - 08:12:18
23:24:53 <needmonero90> Thoughts? :)
23:27:29 <midipoet> I would imagine the vast majority of products/contracts on exchanges don't touch the chain.
23:27:49 <midipoet> So in a way the whole game is 'synthetic'
23:28:31 <midipoet> Maybe i am missing the point though
23:34:06 <needmonero90> I added an addition midipoet
23:34:18 <needmonero90> The difference here is reserves
23:34:37 <needmonero90> If I'm long on a position for 1xmr, then in theory, the exchange has 1xmr in reserves
23:34:47 <needmonero90> With derivatives there is no Monero involved
23:35:12 <needmonero90> You deposit btc, someone else deposits btc, and you both make a bet (using btc as backing) about the future price of Monero
23:35:44 <needmonero90> No Monero was ever involved in that trade and if the price spikes suddenly, the person who bet the wrong way can experience >100% losses
23:36:06 <needmonero90> No other system, even leveraged trading, allows the system to enter a state of fractional reserve
23:36:08 <needmonero90> Derivatives do
23:38:17 <needmonero90> If the community is going to make a decision on whether trading derivatives is 'trading monero', sooner is way better than later.
23:39:22 <needmonero90> I'm honestly leaning towards no, and that derivatives shouldn't be on our list of pairs/exchanges. But I expect the community would be pissed at me if I took a hard line stance.
23:39:38 <needmonero90> This is kind of a big decision lol
23:41:45 <midipoet> I am stuck thinking about the implications of fractional gambling
23:43:46 <needmonero90> It's not the implications that bother me, as much as the fact that literally no Monero ever changes hands, it's not trading monero
23:44:13 <needmonero90> There are no Monero stored, no Monero transferred, it's just btc or fiat changing hands
23:44:32 <needmonero90> I mean. The implications bother me for sure.
23:44:46 <needmonero90> But that will lead into conspiracy theory territory, which is why I'm avoiding it
23:45:02 <needmonero90> That's a different discussion lol
23:45:32 <needmonero90> (that is, futures being used to depress the price of assets by shorting endless paper into the books)
23:46:39 <needmonero90> Like. If someone made an eth contract that let you trade derivative Monero, but you only use eth and the eth chain, would that be allowed?
23:46:51 <needmonero90> How about derivatives denominated in (shitcoin of the day)?
23:47:25 <needmonero90> At some point I think the line needs to be drawn, and my gut is telling me 'you need to be trading actual Monero somewhere' is that line
23:47:31 <needmonero90> But the conversation needs to be had
23:47:52 <midipoet> I would wait for the atomic swap schnizle
23:48:05 <needmonero90> Exchanges are advertising Monero derivatives.
23:48:08 <needmonero90> Today, even.
23:48:15 <needmonero90> Which is why I'm bringing this up
23:48:26 <midipoet> Yeah, I saw it earlier
23:48:38 <needmonero90> Waiting for atomic swaps is too late, the conversation needs to be had now