18:09:37 <endogenic> hey sgp_, dEBRUYNE .. I was just looking at sponsors on the getmonero site and noticed Tari and Globee aren't on there.... Tari's definitely funded a lot of the monero research lab workshops, security work, they're working on law firms to prepare guidance for exchanges and wallet companies on regulatory conditions... I think they're doing a lot for Monero's image too. globee has sponsored servers
18:35:38 <sgp_> How is everyone's Monday?
18:35:57 <rottensox> gucci.
18:36:03 <rottensox> seeing a doctor soonish.
18:36:04 <rottensox> yours?
18:36:17 <sgp_> Working from home with family today
18:36:24 <rottensox> the good life.
18:36:30 <sgp_> yeah family is nice
18:36:52 * rottensox is unemployed since last week
18:36:59 <rottensox> he decided to resign. hehe.
18:37:36 <sgp_> at least it was your choice
18:37:45 <sgp_> sorry it didn't work out
18:38:01 <rottensox> yes sir.
18:38:29 <rottensox> i'll figure something out soon enough. helps me focus on school and this little thingy i'll be working on with anhdres.
18:43:12 <dEBRUYNE> endogenic: Not sure why they aren't listed. I agree with you they should be
18:43:22 <dEBRUYNE> Perhaps ErCiccione[m] can add them both?
18:44:16 <endogenic> gotcha
19:11:21 <xmrmatterbridge> <rehrar> heyguiz
19:13:31 <defterade_> I created a public irc logger for Monero related channels.
19:13:37 <defterade_> See: https://old.reddit.com/r/Monero/comments/e1h88j/monerologsnet_live_irc_logs_of_monero_related/
19:13:49 <defterade_> Motivation being the frustration of seeing good discussion getting swallowed by the void.
19:14:05 <defterade_> I was alerted by Freenode staff that logged channels should have a notice in the topic.
19:14:13 <defterade_> Is there any interest for this project?
19:16:54 <needmonero90> defterade_: I've got plenty of logs going back probably a year or more
19:16:58 <needmonero90> From most Monero channels
19:17:06 <needmonero90> My client idles
19:18:25 <defterade_> It's about making the logs easily accessible
19:22:18 <dEBRUYNE> I kind of dislike public logging, everything what is said in here is basically posted indefinitely on the interwebz
19:22:22 <dEBRUYNE> Though I guess that may already happen
19:29:39 <defterade_> I figured there is already no assumption of privacy since these are public channels
19:29:47 <defterade_> Though, I have already removed #monero-markets, #monero-pools and #monero-pt as those channels are not strictly used for discussion and more likely to contain private information
19:32:27 <dsc_> Also dislike logging but we should not pretend a public IRC channel is free from logging otherwise
19:32:37 <dsc_> the benefits outweigh the drawbacks i'd say
19:34:31 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> This is why I use mattermost. Although the relays are often down and some relevant channels, like noncense-research-lab, aren't relayed as far as I can see
19:35:02 <dsc_> learninandlurkin: You don't need mattermost to search through IRC logs, a simple grep suffices
19:35:14 <dsc_> If your IRC client logs, that is
19:35:19 <dsc_> Mine does not.
19:35:48 <dsc_> Oh, and what about all those 'IRCloud' and 'Matrix' users .. tssk :)
19:36:24 * dsc_ just insulted 50% of the channel
19:36:27 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> mattermost is so smooth on mobile compared to other options though
19:36:50 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> matrix is my backup when the relays die
19:37:08 <dsc_> SSH into a box from your phone that runs tmux+irssi
19:37:14 <dsc_> with mosh
19:37:33 <dsc_> ok ok, UX wise is questionable ^^
19:37:38 <SerHack> In my opinion, you should Convos. Or at least we should host one instance
19:38:05 <dsc_> SerHack: have you heard of RocketChat?
19:38:24 <defterade_> dEBRUYNE: would limiting available logs to the last week or month alleviate your concern?
19:38:42 <SerHack> I have hard about RocketChat, but it was too slow for my VPS.
19:38:45 <SerHack> heard*
19:39:10 <dEBRUYNE> Think tha twould be a decent compromise
19:39:19 <dEBRUYNE> Week seems a bit short though, month seems okay
19:39:35 <dsc_> What problem are we solving?
19:39:52 <dsc_> There is no privacy on IRC
19:39:59 <dsc_> at least not on a public freenode channel
19:40:33 <xmrmatterbridge> <learninandlurkin> But not everyone has hardware they can idly log on at all times
19:40:53 <dsc_> Hence my question, whom are we protecting against
19:41:29 <oieieio> I've installed RocketChat on one of my servers ...it works great
19:41:52 <dsc_> oieieio: I also liked it.
19:43:42 <oieieio> I also use Jitsi meet, it has encrypted p2p chat and video conferencing
19:45:25 <SerHack> Convos was built only for IRC and could run on old hardware. I am hosting an instance of it, so if anyone wants an account, just pm me!
19:53:36 <oieieio> This is what Jitsi meet looks like If you guys want to test and check it out
19:53:40 <oieieio> https://meet.oieieio.xyz/
19:57:19 <defterade_> I will keep the site and post up for now and await some more community feedback. So far the reaction on Reddit appears to be positive.
19:57:32 <defterade_> I'll ask freenode if the notice is strictly necessary if the logs are not kept indefinitely.
20:01:09 <asymptotically> <Fuchs> well, given you already poked me, as per our policy we say that channels who do public logging should inform their users, in the entrymessagae or topic as an example.
20:02:57 <oieieio> You are invited to join a meeting.Join the meeting:https://meet.oieieio.xyz/MoneroCommunityJust to check it out guys...I works well, easy to setup..only downside or could be considered an upside is that the server stores no history
20:14:00 <sgp_> I can have nm configure chanserv or something
20:30:13 <endogenic> IRC is absolutely being logged already
20:30:18 <endogenic> irccloud is an example
20:34:03 <sgp_> it's about "public logs"
20:37:04 <endogenic> yeah but those logs may as well be public
20:37:07 <endogenic> i mean, they *are* imo
20:43:35 <endogenic> actually, there's an upside to having the logs public
20:43:43 <endogenic> makes it harder for bad actors to lie
20:44:27 <endogenic> with any private chat, people can just make accounts - no idea who they are
20:55:52 <defterade_> I wonder if relaying irc to messaging services that provide infinite scrollback constitutes public logging?
20:56:02 <defterade_> You can already obtain the entire irc history of this channel by joining the mattermost instance.
20:56:21 <defterade_> So in effect this channel is already publicly logged.
20:59:30 <sgp_> indeed
23:05:19 <rottensox> sgp_:  if i'm recording an audio-only call on jitsi, do any of you know how to record it? it'd have to record both the audio output and voice input (microphone and earphones.)
23:21:22 <oieieio> rottensox http://blog.radiumz.org/en/article/local-recording-jitsi-meet